how can you say that was a decent season last year? it was bloody boring! we ended with a negative points difference. surely we deserve better then that with 9500 season passholders, maybe quins or crusaders would have been happy but i doulbt it.

Agree, last year was only thought of as decent in the context of the crap that Agar had produced in the 1 1/2 seasons prior to that. It was nowhere near enough of an achievement for it to count as something 'in the bank' against poor performances this year IMO.

Why 8-10 Paul ? we have only won 3 from the last 10 games! So far this season we have had over 60 points put past us with near full strength squad to choose from and we have only played 2 games

When you read the stats which have been produced win ratios, tries scored etc it is shocking. If we wait until April as you suggest, I believe we will be lucky to get 8000 in the KC.

I always believe you start the season off fresh so imo judging on top games is too little. Agar had to improve us last year and we went from finsihing 12th to finishing 6th which in my book is good progress regardless of the style of play.

The other thing is I believe if we got rid of him then we would end up with Webbo for the rest of the season before they appointed a new coach (I don't think they would go for Noble) and I don't see Webbo being any better. People did not like the fact he got a contract so early last season which I agreed with and I also don't agree with him being sacked so early into this season.

We went from 12th to 6th regardless of how we achieved it. We deserve to be challenging for the top 4 spots imo and last season we did. We have no god given right to expect anything. Saints, Leeds, Wire and Wigan are probably the big four these days and that will take some beating, behind them are Hudds, FC and KR imo. A new coach will be tasked with getting into that top 4 the same as Agar but we have no right to be there.

As I've said before Paul, I would have agreed wit this approach if it weren't for the fact that we've started this season with the exact same shortcomings that plagued us last season - and the season before in fact. If he can't get the players fit and doing the basics right after an entire off season there's little to no chance of it happening during the season. And then there's the matter of his bizzare bench choices and rotations which are no better now than when he started.

Time enough methinks. He has to go.

I am not supporting him, my position has been clear for a while, if we want to move forward then we need to being in a better quality coach.

However I still maintain the board won't do anything too rash and in fairness we wanted a top 6 finish last season and he provided us with that. He could still see the season out and we could finish top 6 again, we don't know what will happen. I am prepared to give him 8-10 matches regardless of what other fans think. People said don't get carried away when we won our first 5 matches the other season and so I won't get carried away that we have lost our first two.

I hear what you are saying, however the games where not even close we conceded over 60 points and our defence looks like it has taken a step backwards, I consider Leeds a top game, however KR finished behind us last season only by 1 place admittedly but I do not consider them a Wigan, saints or Leeds. The thing I find the most disturbing is Agars selections/interchanges this alone suggests a coach well out of his depth.

I have always found his interchanges baffling tbh. From little bits I have heard the pressure seems to be mounting from within, it will resolve itself one way or another by either turning a corner results wise or players and manager falling out.

The point I was making was that Briscoe made a break in that game and BJB made up a fair bit of distance to chase him down. He's very quick. If one of our fastest wingers gets chased down by BJB, it's a little unfair not to expect Whiting to be beaten for pace too. Would Wellens have stopped him from there? I doubt it.

The other point is, if our kick chase had been anything like effective, BJB wouldn't have been given the opportunity to get into full stride and beat Whiting. To lay the blame for that try at Whiting's door is massively wide of the mark.

Oh, so you don't mean 'coming into the line', you mean 'coming into the line in a very particular set of circumstances that I have deemed acceptable'. What about the break he made in the second half? No one was anywhere near him. Perhaps that was his fault for breaking when no one expected him to?

If you seriously think that team is capable of finishing in the top 6 your living in Cloud Cuckoo Land.
A very depressing time to be a black and white, think the empty seats, the lack of atmosphere and the gutless performance on Friday night just about sums things up at the moment.
Time for Agar to go, and please take that has been Long with you,

Agreed. Nobody on that side of our defence would have chased him down regardless of how quick they were. He was already moving at full tilt when he received the ball and in the opposite direction to the defenders. Usain Bolt would have struggled.

He did get slightly done for pace and agility a couple of times in the game but IMO more than made up for it in other areas. Good all round performance.

Agreed however, when you see the footage, when BJB gets the ball from Sinfield tip off, Whiting has around a 15 yard head start and doesn't react quick enough IMO.




This makes it sound like I am blaming Whiting for the try, I am not! The ball should have been belted into touch, or at least a longer kick up field, on that last play so that we go in at half time with only 10 points to make up. But this is part of the overall bigger problem, the instructions given to the players from the coach!

I do think we are capable, otherwise I would not have said it.

Being part of a line of player in a sequence of passes is not "coming into the line", but I am thinking you already know that



The highlighted comment, well that's just being plain silly.

He came into the line, providing an extra man so we could exploit an overlap. The sort of play you would expect from a full back really. And then there's the other notable break he made where no one got anywhere near supporting him.



It was. But you started it.

A bitt OTT, considering they did finish top 6 last season and have kept with pretty much the same squad.

On Agar, I think he’s had more then enough time to prove himself. He has had time to shape the squad how he wants it and we are seeing the results, and it is shocking. A feel for the players, they look very frustrated IMO, constantly going onto the pitch with a very poor game plan. I can’t fault their effort and from what I’m led to believe they are becoming increasingly impatient with him. The longer he is left in charge the harder it will become to rescue the season, the players deserve better.

We deserve better.

I think even the hardened faithful are starting to realise this and will stay away, I sincerley hope the club react quickly to this as I honestly believe it will be damaging to our club.

Hubby and I bought passes if it continues we will stay away passes or not, several collegues at work have said this same this morning..

Good post and pretty much my position. I actually don't think the team/coach were given enough credit for the improvement in league position attained last year. What has alarmed me in the first two games of this season is that the gains made last year from having higher quality players particularly in the pack appear to have been wiped out in the attitude and intensity departments - well down on last year where we had an excellent home record. Given that I wanted further improvement this year from Agar to justify his position, the abysmal defence on show in the first two games, together with the ongoing debacle of interchange leads me to believe that further progress from last season appears to be a step too far. He should have 10 games though - but then a decision must be made one way or the other.

I think if we get under 10 k for our game against Crusaders may make the board stand up and notice but I doubt it I still expect our fans to go and that will suit the board.

theres the problem, the season ticket holders (how many is there 9000??) will still go, when weve paid x amount of pounds on a pass, its hard not to go, in this current climate, its hard to spend that money and not use the pass, but that said, its only if people vote with their feet and not attend, thats the only thing that will get this board to sit up and take notice, its a dilema, do we go? (and not waste our money) or do we waste money and stay away???? me head hurts thinking about it

No they will not, they will start to cut their losses, remember it still cost a few quid on a night, pint etc.

maybe, cant see it myself, but i hope im very much wrong!!