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| Quote ="Kosh"If Kath and co were still here that'd be valid. How much of a deterrent is it to folk who weren't involved in the first place?'"
Plenty I would have thought. I'm sure a big fine or points deduction would deter any club owner/senior official from doing anything similar in the future. A slap on the wrist and losing a couple of patsys is hardly likely to deter anyone
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Plenty I would have thought. I'm sure a big fine or points deduction would deter any club owner/senior official from doing anything similar in the future. A slap on the wrist and losing a couple of patsys is hardly likely to deter anyone'"
jake are you talking about worst case scenario,s or do you think its highly likely we will be hit with points deductions or a huge fine
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Plenty I would have thought. I'm sure a big fine or points deduction would deter any club owner/senior official from doing anything similar in the future. A slap on the wrist and losing a couple of patsys is hardly likely to deter anyone'"
But why are you advocating that Pearson and his team need a deterrent? There's been nothing in his previous administering of sporting clubs to indicate that he operates with anything other than the highest integrity.
Fining Hull now would make absolutely no difference to the way Pearson operates and other clubs are not daft enough not to acknowledge that fact.
Punishment of the individuals may make people reflect on their own accountabilities within office, though, and make them more likely to consider the consequences of their own actions. Punishing Hull would be a token gesture that may make the RFL appear to be addressing issues in a tough way to certain naive parties. In reality, it would have no,effect at all, imo.
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| Quote ="WormInHand"But why are you advocating that Pearson and his team need a deterrent? There's been nothing in his previous administering of sporting clubs to indicate that he operates with anything other than the highest integrity.
Fining Hull now would make absolutely no difference to the way Pearson operates and other clubs are not daft enough not to acknowledge that fact.
Punishment of the individuals may make people reflect on their own accountabilities within office, though, and make them more likely to consider the consequences of their own actions. Punishing Hull would be a token gesture that may make the RFL appear to be addressing issues in a tough way to certain naive parties. In reality, it would have no,effect at all, imo.'"
I suppose you could get a disrepute charge. Melbourne Storm's punishment affected guiltless new arrivals iirc. That was more systemic though.
I'd surprised if any more came of it and personally don't think it should. Let's get on with the Rugby.
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| Rule Banned Gleeson Banned The conditioner Banned The three people
involved ..Testing been done since nor other player found to be taking
the tablets UKDA have got the people concerned ..Job done
You cannot penalize the innocent ..So far the new Board have done no Wrong
Why should they suffer for other peoples wrong doing's ..If you want your pound of flesh
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| In case you just can't get enough of it:
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In #LeagueExpress tomorrow we will give a complete account of the Hull FC #rugbyleague debacle in the Martin Gleeson affair.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"In case you just can't get enough of it:
@MartynSadler
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In #LeagueExpress tomorrow we will give a complete account of the Hull FC #rugbyleague debacle in the Martin Gleeson affair.'"
Interesting to see that he has met up with max clifford.Just hope he implicates Kath and Agarin it all as i for one don't believe they were innocent in all this.
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| Quote ="WormInHand"But why are you advocating that Pearson and his team need a deterrent? There's been nothing in his previous administering of sporting clubs to indicate that he operates with anything other than the highest integrity.
Fining Hull now would make absolutely no difference to the way Pearson operates and other clubs are not daft enough not to acknowledge that fact.
Punishment of the individuals may make people reflect on their own accountabilities within office, though, and make them more likely to consider the consequences of their own actions. Punishing Hull would be a token gesture that may make the RFL appear to be addressing issues in a tough way to certain naive parties. In reality, it would have no,effect at all, imo.'"
I'm saying the whole game needs a deterrent.
I'm assuming by your comments that you believe that sanctions for breaches of the salary cap are also not a deterrent to club owners? The facts would seem to say otherwise
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| It would be worth a fine and a points deduction for a thorough RFL investigation IMO to see how deep it went
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| Jake i love your honesty,top fella,wish a few more on both sides of the river thought as you do.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"I'm saying the whole game needs a deterrent.
I'm assuming by your comments that you believe that sanctions for breaches of the salary cap are also not a deterrent to club owners? The facts would seem to say otherwise'" what you do is hit the old Board ,they the people that done wrong .don't let them walk away scot free..AP took the Club over in good faith ..to make him pay for others will put other buyers off investing in other Rugby league ..AP knew of the salary cap ..But not the drug case until the deal was done.. So far the three involved have been banned they have paid their price ..If there is others they should be made to pay ..Not innocent people who had nothing to do with it
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"It would be worth a fine and a points deduction for a thorough RFL investigation IMO to see how deep it went'" Why haven't other Clubs that be involved in similar cases had point deducted ..You hit the people that involved ..If you got caught taking drugs you get done ..Not the people you work for .They might terminate your contract.
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| Quote ="kt170496"Why haven't other Clubs that be involved in similar cases had point deducted ..You hit the people that involved ..If you got caught taking drugs you get done ..Not the people you work for .They might terminate your contract.'"
Maybe because none of the other clubs' CEO's tried to cover it up?
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Maybe because none of the other clubs' CEO's tried to cover it up?'"
Which makes this an isolated incident, let's not go overboard.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Which makes this an isolated incident, let's not go overboard.'"
That's OK then, let's ignore it.
Interesting to know how many would be so keen to brush it under the carpet if it had been the dobbins who had transgressed
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| FFS get a grip some of you.
This is now getting like the self-flagellation following the McAlpine incident.
UKDA have decided the punishments of those found guilty in the matter. It would appear that there are no others involved. So stop the speculation, get on with your lives and look forward to the new season.
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| Quote ="kt170496"Why haven't other Clubs that be involved in similar cases had point deducted ..You hit the people that involved ..If you got caught taking drugs you get done ..Not the people you work for .They might terminate your contract.'"
As I've said previously, I [udon't[/u think Hull FC should be punished. But it was what Rule did, rather than what Gleeson did that would be the issue, if the RFL do consider taking it further. He was the Chief Executive, so the employer was involved. Sacking those involved or even changing ownership wouldn't get a club off a salary cap breach punishment, for example. But those punishments are pretty weedy anyway, and 'all' Rule did was attempt to cover up the circumstances that led to the error, not the error itself. Unless there was some dark and devious motive for that which comes out in the near future, my guess is Hull FC will be safe.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Maybe because none of the other clubs' CEO's tried to cover it up?'" But they got him he is now banned ..The UKDA have done they job ..The rest of the other Clubs players have been passed clean after further
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"That's OK then, let's ignore it.
Interesting to know how many would be so keen to brush it under the carpet if it had been the dobbins who had transgressed'"
I wouldn't want them to have points deducted and a fine. Especially for the actions of (mainly) 2 people. 2 people who aren't even at the club anymore, affecting at least 11 players/coaching staff who weren't even here when the offences took place, that's without the changes of owner & BOD etc.
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| Quote ="jimmyfivebellies"Interesting to see that he has met up with max clifford.Just hope he implicates Kath and Agarin it all as i for one don't believe they were innocent in all this.'"
Actually it doesnt but the time line in LE is very interesting at the bottom of page 3. AP took over the club on 22 July this was just over 2 months of the test of Gleeson and just over a month after Gleeson had his result upheld (13 June) Gleeson appealed on the 28 June
Cooper interviewed by UKDA on 1 August, 20 September Cooper and Gleeson again interviewed by UKAD
11th October Rule charged by UKAD the same day he resigns.
How long had AP been looking at the books etc befoe the takeover looking at the press release etc there could be some interesting debate coming along. Just hope this all goes to bed soon and the game can start on the pitch
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| Quote ="cod'ead"FFS get a grip some of you.
This is now getting like the self-flagellation following the McAlpine incident.
UKDA have decided the punishments of those found guilty in the matter. It would appear that there are no others involved. So stop the speculation, get on with your lives and look forward to the new season.'"
Don`t let it get to you,If F.C. won the triple and managed to gain world peace, some on here would still have a good whinge.
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| Quote ="barton baird"Don`t let it get to you,If F.C. won the triple and managed to gain world peace, some on here would still have a good whinge.'"
My thoughts exactly! We must have the most negative set of supporters in RL !
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| Quote ="HFC Boy"My thoughts exactly! We must have the most negative set of supporters in RL !'" Sorry to disagree ..Poster have the right to they opinions and debate that on a Hull FC forum ..to some fans they feel that they
he been let down badly by people who ran our beloved Club ..A lot will have been hurt to see the good name of the Club drag through the mud..But they will be there at the start of the season cheering the Hull FC players on ..People have a right to let off steam even if you agree or you disagree ..this it what the forums for
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