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| Quote ="bonaire"As ccs has previously pointed out even if we had 8000 fans in the ground it would hardly make any difference to the clubs finances as most would be Passholders who have already paid.
That said i agree its bad news'"
It’s about the game as a whole Bonaire, but take our own loyal pass holders, after the season ends, I usually purchase three passes for Christmas, but who knows what the 21 season will bring, will most invest in these circumstances, not being able to attend, many will be hesitant to even consider mixing. due to CV19, extremely difficult for AP, and other clubs in the rugby league. |
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| Quote ="bonaire"As ccs has previously pointed out even if we had 8000 fans in the ground it would hardly make any difference to the clubs finances as most would be Passholders who have already paid.
That said i agree its bad news'"
Keeping the pass holders in the habit of going helps pass sales for next year and helps shift some merchendise, people would buy cold weather merchendise for example.
As things stand even if by magic things turnaround and theres a guarantee next season starts 'back to normal' pass sales will be hit. Some simply cant afford it, others will be out the habit or havent missed it, our form isnt inspiring either.
Battle for suvival now sadly, think we wont replace the big names and will stick with Last due to cost. As much as im fed up with midtable mediocrity id rather we stay in business. |
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| Quote ="UllFC"Battle for suvival now sadly, think we wont replace the big names and will stick with Last due to cost. As much as im fed up with midtable mediocrity id rather we stay in business.'"
Must be a huge question mark over our survival. Even if we survive through loans, how would we ever pay them back? I'd hope once an assessment has been made of the impact of these latest changes the club will do a really transparent State of the Nation communication, and be clear about income shortfalls, their consequences, and how fans could help. Think it's pretty clear that some clubs won't survive and without a wealthy backer we must be in the higher risk bracket. |
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Must be a huge question mark over our survival. Even if we survive through loans, how would we ever pay them back? I'd hope once an assessment has been made of the impact of these latest changes the club will do a really transparent State of the Nation communication, and be clear about income shortfalls, their consequences, and how fans could help. Think it's pretty clear that some clubs won't survive and without a wealthy backer we must be in the higher risk bracket.'"
You keep saying we have no wealthy backer, but AP doesn't seem shy of getting money from somewhere/someone, try and be a bit more positive? |
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Must be a huge question mark over our survival. Even if we survive through loans, how would we ever pay them back? I'd hope once an assessment has been made of the impact of these latest changes the club will do a really transparent State of the Nation communication, and be clear about income shortfalls, their consequences, and how fans could help. Think it's pretty clear that some clubs won't survive and without a wealthy backer we must be in the higher risk bracket.'"
I doubt any club in Super League are in a great position. For example Warrington's owner is rich, but makes his fortune promoting concerts so I bet isnt feeling as flush as he was and if the postponed gigs get delayed past next summer a whole legal can of worms is going to open about people, stadiums, equipment suppliers etc demanding refunds.
Other clubs own their own grounds and have to maintain stadiums sat decaying and open to vandalism. At least at the KCOM we know what rent we pay and dont have that worry.
Salford have a rented ground and small fanbase so little merchendise sales, I bet barely a penny is coming in the til right now. Every club will have its own challenge somewhere.
SKY are the biggest factor. If they keep paying, RL can survive in some form. Im optimistic they will as the behind closed doors games have done well as far as im aware, and as much as I dont want Winter Rugby back, Winter TV audiences are bigger with people sat in. |
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Sky have reduced next years payments by £250k per club. Ouch.
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What was the reduction in Sky money for, sorry havnt read into it, I'm guessing the reduction in game/ this season?
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| Quote ="Rocknrolla69er"What was the reduction in Sky money for, sorry havnt read into it, I'm guessing the reduction in game/ this season?'"
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Other clubs own their own grounds and have to maintain stadiums sat decaying and open to vandalism. At least at the KCOM we know what rent we pay and dont have that worry.
Salford have a rented ground and small fanbase so little merchendise sales, I bet barely a penny is coming in the til right now. Every club will have its own challenge somewhere.
SKY are the biggest factor. If they keep paying, RL can survive in some form. Im optimistic they will as the behind closed doors games have done well as far as im aware, and as much as I dont want Winter Rugby back, Winter TV audiences are bigger with people sat in.'"
I'd be surprised if the club can survive beyond this season in anything like its current guise. Not being dramatic, just my opinion.
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Other clubs own their own grounds and have to maintain stadiums sat decaying and open to vandalism. At least at the KCOM we know what rent we pay and dont have that worry.
Salford have a rented ground and small fanbase so little merchendise sales, I bet barely a penny is coming in the til right now. Every club will have its own challenge somewhere.
SKY are the biggest factor. If they keep paying, RL can survive in some form. Im optimistic they will as the behind closed doors games have done well as far as im aware, and as much as I dont want Winter Rugby back, Winter TV audiences are bigger with people sat in.'"
I'd be surprised if the club can survive beyond this season in anything like its current guise. Not being dramatic, just my opinion.
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Can’t see them allowing Toronto in now, taking a share of the Sky money.
Just glad we got the Wembley win!
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I’m beginning to think that the dreaded “MERGER” is coming a little closer. Both owners have tried a merged Under 21’s, have a joint bar, Tribal, all designed to bring the fans together. Hudgell saying he’s giving up in December and Pearson, pre Covid, previously stating he needed other financial input. From a personal perspective, it would be the death knell of Rugby League professionally in Hull. |
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Completely agree with that and I wonder if a lot of fans know how close to the actualities that is.
I know I bang on about it but we can't let the self interest of a couple of owners railroad the rest who are really struggling to survive, to get Toronto back in now with the cut of the Sky money and central funding they are demanding. They have treated their players terribly causing hardship and debt, taken the mick with the signing of SBW on a $2m contract and quit the league when because of our Sky commitments we needed them most. The other Clubs have fought, put their players at risk and made massive sacrifices just to keep the game going over the past couple of months and they deserve every penny of outside income they can get to simply pay their players and staff. Whats more they will need that and a lot more going forward to 2021. In normal circumstances I'm pretty ambivalent to their inclusion or otherwise, but these ain't normal circumstances.
As I've said in the past several times, for me if one current Super league or Championship Club goes under through running out of money in this terrible situation and Toronto are sat there back in the Competition with an allocation of Sky and central funding next season it will be an absolute disgrace.
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Completely agree with that and I wonder if a lot of fans know how close to the actualities that is.
I know I bang on about it but we can't let the self interest of a couple of owners railroad the rest who are really struggling to survive, to get Toronto back in now with the cut of the Sky money and central funding they are demanding. They have treated their players terribly causing hardship and debt, taken the mick with the signing of SBW on a $2m contract and quit the league when because of our Sky commitments we needed them most. The other Clubs have fought, put their players at risk and made massive sacrifices just to keep the game going over the past couple of months and they deserve every penny of outside income they can get to simply pay their players and staff. Whats more they will need that and a lot more going forward to 2021. In normal circumstances I'm pretty ambivalent to their inclusion or otherwise, but these ain't normal circumstances.
As I've said in the past several times, for me if one current Super league or Championship Club goes under through running out of money in this terrible situation and Toronto are sat there back in the Competition with an allocation of Sky and central funding next season it will be an absolute disgrace.
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Hull FC changed its annual accounting date this week to 30 November 2020 from 31 October. This matches Hull KR's accounting date, and Hudgell steps.down the day after... |
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Hull FC changed its annual accounting date this week to 30 November 2020 from 31 October. This matches Hull KR's accounting date, and Hudgell steps.down the day after...'"
I fail to see how that fixes anything though? Its not like you get double SKY money, you just get double the squad on the payroll to try and get rid of. And fans on both sides will quite rightly raging so even less likely to buy tickets.
Only possible thing is the merged club gets Craven Park as a much needed asset on the books, but as we know its in a poor location and even if some our fans are ok with a merged team playing there its a trek to get there from West Hull.
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I fail to see how that fixes anything though? Its not like you get double SKY money, you just get double the squad on the payroll to try and get rid of. And fans on both sides will quite rightly raging so even less likely to buy tickets.
Only possible thing is the merged club gets Craven Park as a much needed asset on the books, but as we know its in a poor location and even if some our fans are ok with a merged team playing there its a trek to get there from West Hull.
All that would happen is two new sucessor clubs would pop up and start from the bottom.'"
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I fail to see how that fixes anything though? Its not like you get double SKY money, you just get double the squad on the payroll to try and get rid of. And fans on both sides will quite rightly raging so even less likely to buy tickets.
Only possible thing is the merged club gets Craven Park as a much needed asset on the books, but as we know its in a poor location and even if some our fans are ok with a merged team playing there its a trek to get there from West Hull.
All that would happen is two new sucessor clubs would pop up and start from the bottom.'"
IF the clubs merge, there’s no one out there to fund pop up clubs to take their places. If there were, the clubs wouldn’t be struggling. I do think that Pearson, seeing him tonight, has had enough. He made the decision to bin Radford, probably a year too late, Covid hasn’t been kind to us. He looks like a man who feels everything is conspiring against him. |
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| Quote ="Armavinit"IF the clubs merge, there’s no one out there to fund pop up clubs to take their places. If there were, the clubs wouldn’t be struggling. I do think that Pearson, seeing him tonight, has had enough. He made the decision to bin Radford, probably a year too late, Covid hasn’t been kind to us. He looks like a man who feels everything is conspiring against him.'"
I meant pop up at a very low level like League1 with a consortium of local businessmen. Hull would still get a few thousand playing out of Costello with the ex academy players. Id rather go watch that than some monstrosity playing in Black and Red out of Craven Park. |
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| Quote ="UllFC"I meant pop up at a very low level like League1 with a consortium of local businessmen. Hull would still get a few thousand playing out of Costello with the ex academy players. Id rather go watch that than some monstrosity playing in Black and Red out of Craven Park.'"
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