Quote ="ccs"McDermott wasn't the most popular guy at Harlequins, it seems, ring any bells? retro.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=428784'" Reading through that is frightening as there's so many similarities there between Harlequins and what we appear to be going through. Some on there were talking about lack of ideas, poor tackling, failing to support etc and a need for an attacking coach. And it sounds like BM was as puzzled as Radders is now as to why it happens and what can be done to fix it.

Quote ="ccs"McDermott wasn't the most popular guy at Harlequins, it seems, ring any bells? retro.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=428784'" Reading through that is frightening as there's so many similarities there between Harlequins and what we appear to be going through. Some on there were talking about lack of ideas, poor tackling, failing to support etc and a need for an attacking coach. And it sounds like BM was as puzzled as Radders is now as to why it happens and what can be done to fix it.

Quote ="Armavinit"I think what Sheldon's saying is that McDermott served as assistant under an uproven head coach at Huddersfield ie John Sharpe, not Tony Smith, then went onto London as an unproven head coach.'" Ah right...... McDermott worked 4 years under Tony Smith in total. (1 year at Hudds.3 year at Leeds) www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/f ... nald-mcrae

Quote ="Armavinit"I think what Sheldon's saying is that McDermott served as assistant under an uproven head coach at Huddersfield ie John Sharpe, not Tony Smith, then went onto London as an unproven head coach.'" Ah right...... McDermott worked 4 years under Tony Smith in total. (1 year at Hudds.3 year at Leeds) www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/f ... nald-mcrae

He got them relegated and lost a record 13 in a row.

I'd say gentle got us gelled into a cohesive side.

What about Maguire? When Wigan appointed him he wasn't qualified. In fact he'd never been a first team coach before. Therefore how did Wane get qualified?

I don't think anyone would argue that Radford was appointed as a head coach way too soon in his career, and not one Hull fan would say they were happy with what we've done under his tenure these past two seasons.

That said, there are facets of our game that are good, such as our meter making, field position & defence, but other (probably more important) elements of our game that are substandard. Radford IMO isn't a bad coach, but he hasn't yet proven he's a good one either, and needs help, whether that me more experience on the coaching staff or an attacking expert.

Quote ="weaver93"Ah right...... McDermott worked 4 years under Tony Smith in total. (1 year at Hudds.3 year at Leeds) www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/f ... nald-mcrae'" You were the one who said he spent 2 years under a head coach, wiki was a bit mis leading as well. Either or, Smith wasn't proven to start with.

Quote ="weaver93"Ah right...... McDermott worked 4 years under Tony Smith in total. (1 year at Hudds.3 year at Leeds) www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/f ... nald-mcrae'" You were the one who said he spent 2 years under a head coach, wiki was a bit mis leading as well. Either or, Smith wasn't proven to start with.

Maguire worked 6 years under Bellyache.

Wigan wanted Bellyache, but he said "Madge is ready"

They took a chance on his recommendation....

According to 'Bellyache' in his opinion, as assistant coach needs at least 4 years to serve under a Head Coach, to progress to the next level.

So it's 4 years now.

Did anyone tell Saints? Cunningham only had 2 years as assistant.

Nathan Brown didn't get 4. Nor Wayne Bennett. But Gentle did wtf?!?

There's no set formula, if you think someone's your best candidate you appoint them.

My opinion has actually changed on Radford a bit this afternoon after seeing the Harlequins thread about McDermott as it has got me thinking seeing the parallels between their situation on the pitch back then and ours now. Before reading that I thought, as you mentioned, that Radders was appointed way too soon. But my personal opinion of him based on what we have seen so far is that he is a bad coach.

Now I'm having a rethink. Reading that thread it seems clear that Harlequins fans didn't rate McDermott in a similar way to how a lot of us don't rate Radford. The problems they cited on the field are a lot of things that we bemoan and McDermott was struggling to figure out what was going wrong and turn it around. Something Radford has admitted to in the past.

Yet McDermott has now just gone and won the treble with Leeds. Can he really be the same coach that the Harlequins fans wanted sacking? If anything it shows that back then he was unproven and at Leeds he's proven himself. Maybe that means that the next club that Radford coaches will benefit from him earning his stripes with us? Who knows. But what I would suggest is that he's had better tools and a better infrastructure to work with at Leeds than he did at Harlequins that's helped him achieve success. Is our set-up closer to the Leeds model or the Harlequins/Broncos model I wonder?

That is Bellamy's opinion- 4 years...

I think your brioadbrush figure is way out. Even a top priced ticket is only just over £200 net of VAT. Add in kids tickets as low as £60 and concessions around £130 and I'd have said the average would be nearer £150.

You're right that the income figure wouldn't be affected by the SMC agreement but it's a fairly fundamental thing when we're actually considering profit/loss, not turnover.

As for your reasons for non attendance then I'll take your word for it but I doubt many of those attending weren't going because the games had no bearing on league position, but down to our general shatness at home

I think radford would have been in with a good shout of winning something in the last 3 years with this leeds squad. I'm not very convinced mcdermott is a great coach. Big test for mcdermott next season with sinfield and peacock going

I reckon BM knew that the players he had at London were limited and when he got the job at Leeds he probably found it a lot easier with massively higher calibre players.

Westerman has agreed terms with Leeds, but club haven't agreed a fee as of yet. Pearson not happy with agreeing a fee with Leeds due to previous player situations and the fact that hetherington won't stump up the 150k that Pearson wants. 1 year on westermans contract left and an unhappy player if he has to stay there.

We've done this one.

Crowd announced at 9300

plenty of walk ups, not passholders, so what was the crowd?

So what benefit does Pearson get from bleating about crowds smaller then Rovers

I hope Morleys "appearance" busts your salary cap.

If AP sells Westerman then he'll be done here "over my dead body" was his cry,

Then flogs 2 stars, one to the club he "hates"

I like Westerman (may come as a shock to some

) and hope this is wrong, but if the player has indicated he'll be leaving at the end of his contract it'd be daft to not cash in. £100k seems fair, not sure AP will get £150k.

I am worried that we don't have anyone as a direct replacement. (Please note anyone saying Abdull can will be ridiculed, nowhere near ready)

add to that, a quality well resourced backroom staff..

I've already replied to a similar post, here it is again,

Well, there were more than 6,000 there. We're the rest freebies? Is that what you're trying to say?

AP said on RH that there were a lot of "freebies" to bolster the crowd for the cats Heritage game,
so I guess there were one or two freebies at the Huddersfield game as well.

Having said that the crowds at both games looked very, very poor.

Time will tell but lets not forget that you said that Gareth Ellis was definitely going back to Leeds when he left Wests.

I'm sure he'll suck it up and get on with playing. I doubt pearson will cave in on anything with the hetheringtons

I was at the KC SL lowest game against Leigh, there were miles more at the game this year, in no way was there "only 6000" there

Again

8000 passes sold

many walk up tickets

Yet AP still says "only 6000 tickets sold" "weve had less than Rovers"

What benefit of coming out with that???

Yet again.
AP said that only 6000 people who attended the match actually paid.
The attendance figure of 9332 includes passholders, so with your figure of 8000 passholders, 1332 need to be accounted for.
If they were all freebies, then 2000 passholders didn't attend. If there were 1000 walk-ups, then 3000 passholders didn't attend.

Agree Pearson doesn't like Leeds can't see him lowering the price. Depends how much Leeds want him if there willing to pay asking price. 150,000 seems a lot for a player out of contract in a year. And still untested at the top level. Always been at mid table teams