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| What a fairy he is, was worse than useless, he didn't even kick the goals.
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| Mrs Barista,I am disappointed.Usually,I really respect your comments/ opinions and agree with your posts.
Craig Hall can be a magical player with the right support and COACHING.We know his defence can be suspect,but he has also pulled off tackles which have been impressive.Surely the debate has to be about Agar and his apparent inability to get the best out of the players and understand basic tactics.Anyway,at least we can watch Dr Who!
It's got a lot bigger than individual players for me.
And as for the criticism of Blacklock from whoever it was,it deserves no response.
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| Doesn't matter who is our coach, you can't polish a turd.
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| Time for him to go at the end of the season along with Horne,Radford,Calderwood,Dowes and Cusack.
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| Quote ="RockNRolla"Time for him to go at the end of the season along with Horne,Radford,Calderwood,Dowes and Cusack.'"
don't see why your including Calderwood in that, he was one of the few players trying last season.
he's just been very unlucky with injury this season IMO
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| I was always giving Hall the benefit of the doubt, but after today enough is enough, he leaves the defence line to attempt intercepts that never come off, can't hold his man and wrap him up in defence, and now can't get a conversion even though he's practically in front of the sticks. Time to take his marching orders.
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| Quote ="Hullfcfaninhudds"Mrs Barista,I am disappointed.Usually,I really respect your comments/ opinions and agree with your posts.
Craig Hall can be a magical player with the right support and COACHING.We know his defence can be suspect,but he has also pulled off tackles which have been impressive.Surely the debate has to be about Agar and his apparent inability to get the best out of the players and understand basic tactics.Anyway,at least we can watch Dr Who!
It's got a lot bigger than individual players for me.
And as for the criticism of Blacklock from whoever it was,it deserves no response.'"
It [uis[/u a lot bigger than individual players, quite correct. But Hall is one OOC player who's created a debate on here precisely because of the contrast between glimpses of excellence in attack and consistently substandard defence and positioning. Some, like you, continue to claim he's "magical" and it's all Agar's fault. That's your opinion and you're fully entitled to it. Some, like me, think he's been given 60 odd first team games but is still a defensive weak link that well-organised teams, even cellar-dwellers like Quins, can exploit. With 4 players to cover centre already on the books for 2011, I wouldn't give him a new contract.
As I've already said, the acid test of the opinions of the "magical under another coach" group will be how many top 4 clubs are competing for his signature.
Our key problem, as you acknowledge, is the coaching set-up, which is already being debated at length on other threads, and which, IMO is a complete shambles.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"It [uis[/u a lot bigger than individual players, quite correct. But Hall is one OOC player who's created a debate on here precisely because of the contrast between glimpses of excellence in attack and consistently substandard defence and positioning. Some, like you, continue to claim he's "magical" and it's all Agar's fault. That's your opinion and you're fully entitled to it. Some, like me, think he's been given 60 odd first team games but is still a defensive weak link that well-organised teams, even cellar-dwellers like Quins, can exploit. With 4 players to cover centre already on the books for 2011, I wouldn't give him a new contract.
As I've already said, the acid test of the opinions of the "magical under another coach" group will be how many top 4 clubs are competing for his signature.
Our key problem, as you acknowledge, is the coaching set-up, which is already being debated at length on other threads, and which, IMO is a complete shambles.'"
My feelings exactly, used to think he was a really good prospect. Hes had his chances and has remained a weak link
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| craig halls a liabiltiy with and without the ball, god knows how he managed to get a reputation for being a good attacking player.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"It [uis[/u a lot bigger than individual players, quite correct. But Hall is one OOC player who's created a debate on here precisely because of the contrast between glimpses of excellence in attack and consistently substandard defence and positioning. Some, like you, continue to claim he's "magical" and it's all Agar's fault.'"
The sad fact is that whether it's Agar's fault or not, the damage appears to be done. I said several weeks ago that Hall needs to leave as much for his sake as anything else, and I'm still of that opinion. It's a shame, because I still think he has natural ability in attack and I really want to see a player like that in the centres for us. But I just don't think it's ever going to happen for him here - and certainly never while Agar is coach.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"
Our key problem, as you acknowledge, is the coaching set-up, which is already being debated at length on other threads, and which, IMO is a complete shambles.'"
The coach,or the threads?
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| Shouldn't play for Hull again in my opinion.
We should play literally anyone else, certainly Cunningham from U20s could have a go, see if he has the desire to be a Super League player because Craig Hall clearly doesn't.
He seems to think it's OK to just throw the ball away. Well it is if you're playing touch and pass on the park with your mates, but not at this level.
That's before we even start on his appalling defence which costs the team tries time and time again.
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| Quote ="Kosh"The sad fact is that whether it's Agar's fault or not, the damage appears to be done. I said several weeks ago that Hall needs to leave as much for his sake as anything else, and I'm still of that opinion. It's a shame, because I still think he has natural ability in attack and I really want to see a player like that in the centres for us. But I just don't think it's ever going to happen for him here - and certainly never while Agar is coach.'"
In Hall's case he doesn't have the mental strength to make it at the top in my view. Agar might have done better but Hall has not grasped his chances and continues to make the same errors with and without the ball week in and week out. He's another who has played loads of games and never improves. It's Hull FC that needs him to move on as soon as possible because his performance today, and many, many this year particularly defensively, but also his lack of responsibility to the team in the way he fails to respect possession, are not up to the required standard. I don't accept this argument that he has been hard done to in some way - if he had it we would already know.
Yeaman has his faults, and isn't the world's greatest, (although dare I say it he appears to be addressing one of the main ones this season even with Agar in charge) but he is a different class to Hall.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"In Hall's case he doesn't have the mental strength to make it at the top in my view. Agar might have done better but Hall has not grasped his chances and continues to make the same errors with and without the ball week in and week out.'"
Pretty much agree with that.
Quote ="Staffs FC"I don't accept this argument that he has been hard done to in some way - if he had it we would already know.'"
I wouldn't say he'd been hard done to as such. He's been unfortunate to have been moved around to cover injuries, but he's hardly unique in the squad in that regard. And I think a better coach would have done better with him, but again, others have had the same coach to cope with.
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| what about Tansey? The guys been a joke for the past month.
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| Quote ="BigTonyB"what about Tansey? The guys been a joke for the past month.'"
Yes he has - another who appears not to be able to accept his responsibility within the team to do the right things at the right standard consistently.
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| Quote ="BigTonyB"what about Tansey? The guys been a joke for the past month.'"
Yer a month, but not for that past few years.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Yes he has - another who appears not to be able to accept his responsibility within the team to do the right things at the right standard consistently.'"
You're not wrong there. There are too many to mention though
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| Hall is simply not good enough.I just hope the rumours I heard are true and he's off to Rovers,
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"It [uis[/u a lot bigger than individual players, quite correct. But Hall is one OOC player who's created a debate on here precisely because of the contrast between glimpses of excellence in attack and consistently substandard defence and positioning. Some, like you, continue to claim he's "magical" and it's all Agar's fault. That's your opinion and you're fully entitled to it. Some, like me, think he's been given 60 odd first team games but is still a defensive weak link that well-organised teams, even cellar-dwellers like Quins, can exploit. With 4 players to cover centre already on the books for 2011, I wouldn't give him a new contract.
As I've already said, the acid test of the opinions of the "magical under another coach" group will be how many top 4 clubs are competing for his signature.
Our key problem, as you acknowledge, is the coaching set-up, which is already being debated at length on other threads, and which, IMO is a complete shambles.'"
Well organised teams i hope for the life of me you was'nt including our lot in that was you??
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| He nearly single handily lost us the match today, poor just doesnt cut it. If its true rovers want him please, please, hurry and take him off our hands.
Caulderwood is fit soon and we can put Rich in the and drop Hall where he belongs somewhere in the lower divisions.
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| Someone mascarading under my user name stated I would love him at Rovers. Can I catagoracly deny this and appologise to any fans offended by this comment.
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| Quote ="Punos"He nearly single handily lost us the match today, poor just doesnt cut it. If its true rovers want him please, please, hurry and take him off our hands.
Caulderwood is fit soon and we can put Rich in the centres and drop Hall where he belongs somewhere in the lower divisions.'"
did he really,enlighten me as to why the whole team barring manu and o'meley was the only ones who put in any effort today,Craig was'nt good today i a fully agreebut he was'nt by a long shot the only one
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| Quote ="bigcjlchris"did he really,enlighten me as to why the whole team barring manu and o'meley was the only ones who put in any effort today'"
Bit harsh on moa, briscoe, yeaman and whiting IMO
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| He's handling let him down today . But that said , The whole side's handling was poor and it's been like it for 4/5 games now. Our completion rate must be below 60% from those games. You just can't cough up that much possession and expect to win.
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