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| I can see it now in 18 months time we will be all looking at pyramids and there will deffo be no park and ride that will be replaced with camels
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This brings us to the issue of ground sharing with our neighbours from across the river. Anyone who believes that Hull KR will remain at Craven Park in the long term when the KC is in the hands of the Allams is deluded. As astute a businessman as Mr Allam is, he will want to maximise his return on his investment by greater use of the KC. We have already had Neil Hudgell openly saying in a recent HDM article that he would be open to the suggestion of Hull KR relocating to the KC Stadium with its superior facilities. And believe you me this will happen. And how exactly would that work for ‘home derby matches’ with shared ownership? Season pass holders not being able to sit in their own seat? Or with the regular friends around them? First come first served? A mess waiting to happen. '"
My word, hardly a difficult scenario to overcome, is it!? The team at home get first choice of seats. It's not rocket science. It would be like any other home game. If Rovers were to move a home game against us to the KC, they'd get first choice of stands, etc.
Besides, why would Rovers invest in their ground and then move? I think they're happy where they are, and I think the Allams would want "their pitch" in good condition for their assault on the Premier League.
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| Quote ="Monkey Fc"To be honest I find this situation a little unnerving. It’s kind of like when you climb into a freshly filled bath and for that first instantaneous second you cannot tell if it is really, really hot or really, really cold. As one wise man once said ‘all that glitters is certainly not gold’. The purchase of Hull City as a ‘lever’ to gaining ownership of the stadium seems to be the crux of the issue – confirmed recently by threats of moving the club to another venue and putting a strangle hold on the council’s stadium revenue if the sale was vetoed. For someone doing things for the people of Hull he has a very aggressive way of going about this. If this does not set alarm bells ringing I do not know what will.
This brings us to the issue of ground sharing with our neighbours from across the river. Anyone who believes that Hull KR will remain at Craven Park in the long term when the KC is in the hands of the Allams is deluded. As astute a businessman as Mr Allam is, he will want to maximise his return on his investment by greater use of the KC. We have already had Neil Hudgell openly saying in a recent HDM article that he would be open to the suggestion of Hull KR relocating to the KC Stadium with its superior facilities. And believe you me this will happen. And how exactly would that work for ‘home derby matches’ with shared ownership? Season pass holders not being able to sit in their own seat? Or with the regular friends around them? First come first served? A mess waiting to happen.
I personally like the way things stand at present. The KC Stadium is a community stadium paid for by the flotation of Kingston Communication built for the people of Hull. Its current owners (the council) will never go bust in the sense of the word and the ground will always be safe and our club will have a stable future. To the Allams I can see it being nothing more than a £44 million collateral asset sat on an ever expanding balance sheet, with long term investment & financial gain being the outcome.
I hope I am wrong and and I hope his motives are for the good of the people of Hull, but something somewhere does not ring true. I have followed my club whole-heartedly for the majority of my life. I love my club and would hate for anything untoward to spoil its future.
The Stadium belongs to the people of Hull and should remain so.'"
Agree with this post. Also if the stadium is going to be sold it should be advertised world wide to get the best return/price for the people of Hull, why should only one man have the option of buying the stadium ?
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| It's clearly an interest free loan cos Hudgill's panicking. Noone should worry about it IMO. Fc will never "be moved" to play in Craven Park, as it would probably cost as much to sort that place out properly as it would to build a new stadium.
Allam is just blustering. Massive sports village, great idea, but I would like to see a proper business plan, as I guess would anyone else including any investors in order to see it happen. Despite ideas to the contrary, Allam does not have 70-100 million in loose change to splash on this, without selling all his other interests.
He wants the KC to make more money, by selling up with city a successful premiership stalwart. City can never be this, despite what anyone might think. They will never be worth silly money to buy.
Sadly I do believe that Fc could have some issues with all of this grandiose plan along the way
I may be wrong, and he may be a simple good samaritan helping out the city of Hull. I believe this however as much as I believe Ben Cockayne is an upstanding human being. Talking of Ben, I wonder what he thinks of these foreigners paying his wages?
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| I haven't read all posts in this thread but has anyone considered that they might be doing up caravan park for us to be moved into from the KC? I just don't trust the Allams as I cant see what else they would hope to do by giving away £1m to rovers. I've got a bad feeling of another David Lloyd scenario unfolding. I hope I am wrong as that would not be a good situation to be in again, Not for us, City or rovers.
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| Well I reckon (& hope) the council will tell him to jog on, he can't take Hull city out of the KC so his claims at moving them out are a complete & utter nonsense
Any businessman worth his salt can see that putting a stadium out of town will dwindle support for the immediate future & disinfranchise the fans who live in the city.
Building a new stadium on the back of reaching the PL & attracting big crowds plus training facilities/sports village/whatever he's gonna need £100M+ just for that (Liverpools 60k stadium is on the cards for £400M!)
On top of all that any planning permission would/could take years . Even getting the go ahead wouldn't physically happen for at least 4 years at best.
Also there's no hard fast guarantee that city will make the PL in any case even with plenty of money, if they take 2-3 years with higher wages than now AND major transfer fees plus building a new stadium, he just wouldn't be able to afford that &/or get backing as that would/could be another £50-75M to get some decent players & pay their salaries over a couple of years.
I actually think that the FC board are fairly confident that Allem is all bull & bluster.
ATEOTD if the council you've elected think his threat of moving city out holds any substance & that his involvement in the city sporting wise is beneficial long term then Hull is in a bigger mess than I could possibly have imagined.
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| Think people are getting a bit worried over nothing.
First of all he has given Rovers a intrest free loan, fair play to him, maybe he offered Hull the same, but to be fair we dont need a loan, so it would be pointless and risky.
If Allam does get the KC, as long as council look after us (which I think they will) and make a good lease for us, it will do us no harm.
The man isn't looking to make money out of the sporting clubs in Hull, so doubt he would increase our rent etc.
I'd be worried if he bought our club though, we don't know enough about him to allow he to be involved in the day to day running of the club.
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"How can a man who said just five weeks ago that he would only support rugby League in this City if both clubs combined and merged because he refused to support one team and not the other have any credibility! He sited doing that as being unfair on the people of Hull. For me quite simply the man is certainly not a man of his word and some might even say a liar. For a man who wants to get on with everyone he has in one act allienated himself with half the City! When he made that statement it appears he had already been talking to Rovers for months. Someone should ask David Burns or the Hull Daily Mail to ask Mr Allam what is behind this obvious U turn. Smells a bit of David Lloyd this, all this wanting a piece of everything and spitting his dummy out (Welton and get rid of HUll Fair) when he is faced with possibly not getting his own way. If I was a Rovers fan I would be careful what I wished for and if I was the national audit office I would be watching this deal for the KC very closely!'"
Whilst Mr Allam made this statement he was already in talks with Rovers , he stated last night on RH that he had been intalks with Hudge for a few months .
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| So he's a liar then.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"So he's a liar then.'"
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| From the HDM: [urlhttp://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/sport/HULL-KR-ll-trust-Neil-163-1m-says-Allam/article-3567446-detail/article.html[/url
"Allam's cash injection comes as he revealed he has received no approach from any Hull FC directors for financial input into their club."
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| Quote ="UllFC"From the HDM: [urlhttp://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/sport/HULL-KR-ll-trust-Neil-163-1m-says-Allam/article-3567446-detail/article.html[/url
"Allam's cash injection comes as he revealed he has received no approach from any Hull FC directors for financial input into their club."
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| Quote ="UllFC"From the HDM: [urlhttp://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/sport/HULL-KR-ll-trust-Neil-163-1m-says-Allam/article-3567446-detail/article.html[/url
"Allam's cash injection comes as he revealed he has received no approach from any Hull FC directors for financial input into their club."
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| Quote ="UllFC"From the HDM: [urlhttp://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/sport/HULL-KR-ll-trust-Neil-163-1m-says-Allam/article-3567446-detail/article.html[/url
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| Quote ="cod'ead"So, in fifteen years time and City are in the Blue Square (North) and Rovers have entered yet another CVA and are playing before 750 crowds on Poorhouse Lane, we might see enhanced terms?'"
Imagine if you'd said that 17 or so years ago when both city and rovers were in much worse situations than they are now
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| For all the clubs previous gaffs i think they are doing exactly the right thing at the moment and that is keeping quiet on the subject and more importantly not getting involved with him. Well done FC and its BOD.
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/the-city-diary-silence-on-allams-past-2139612.html
Interesting article , would the 50 redundancees concur ?'"
Very interesting that two things strike me this morning firstly although Mr Allam manages the tenancy of Our club at the KC he is not the owner of the stadium yet and still he bangs on about the fact that we are 'Enjoying the benifits of the aquisition of Hull City' How exactly? He then states that despite us being a joint tenant of the ground that he manages for the Council (at present) he has never made an attempt to attend a game at the KC in fact he proudly states that Sundays jolly with Hudge and the leader of the Council was the first game of RL he has attended. He goes on about Rovers supporters and how wonderful they are perhaps he should ask neutrals like David Burns about the difference between the noise generated by 14,000 FC fans compared with that of 23,000 City fans! But he wouldn't know he's never been to an Fc game although as our custodian of the Stadium he has every right to be there and should you would feel have been at least once.
Then he states in tonights Mail that 'When you look at Hull KR they have been deprived of many things They have to pay for their pitch, ground improvements and staff ticketing etc. Hull FC being a user of the KC is itself a good contribution to their overheads which HUll KR havn't got' But we get that in exchange for an agreed rental payment (and half our gate income over 7,800 ish)
And as for poor old down at heal cant make ends meet rovers? Well whose fault is that then? Could it be something to do with the fact that when both RL clubs were offered the chance to play at the KC it was the vision and business sense of Shane Richardson who decided to take the risk despite gated of under 6,300 and took the plunge whilst the small minded small club attitude of Rovers turned it down because they would 'Never fill it'.
Just my observations of course and perhaps I have go this all wrong sand we have in our midst the greatest Philanthropist this City has seen since Tommy Ferens but I am very suspitious of what is unfolding here and what the Council is actually up to!
As for our club we are right to stay stum, let Hudge enjoy the obvious limelight he craves and wait and watch!
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| Quote ="Dave K."Why do would we need a loan?'"
My thoughts exactly. What could a loan/gift of even £500k get us? Players? nope - salary cap/quota issues. New coach? Nope - whatever your thoughts, the board are happy with what we have. Improvements to the KC? No need, the SMC would take care of that.
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| Does my memory deceive me, or did the HDM proclaim Lloyd as the "Messiah" before that went pearshaped?
And didn't we and City decide that it was a "good thing" at the time, until the facts emerged?
As Kosh has said, its deja vu all all over again.
City and Rovers should be very sceptical about all this
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| If Allam takes over the KC, keeps our lease the same and builds world class training facilities that we can use, then it would be OK.
It's up to our BOD to work with the council (and Allam) to make sure we are fully protected if this deals goes through.
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Very interesting that two things strike me this morning firstly although Mr Allam manages the tenancy of Our club at the KC he is not the owner of the stadium yet and still he bangs on about the fact that we are 'Enjoying the benifits of the aquisition of Hull City' How exactly? He then states that despite us being a joint tenant of the ground that he manages for the Council (at present) he has never made an attempt to attend a game at the KC in fact he proudly states that Sundays jolly with Hudge and the leader of the Council was the first game of RL he has attended. He goes on about Rovers supporters and how wonderful they are perhaps he should ask neutrals like David Burns about the difference between the noise generated by 14,000 FC fans compared with that of 23,000 City fans! But he wouldn't know he's never been to an Fc game although as our custodian of the Stadium he has every right to be there and should you would feel have been at least once.
Then he states in tonights Mail that 'When you look at Hull KR they have been deprived of many things They have to pay for their pitch, ground improvements and staff ticketing etc. Hull FC being a user of the KC is itself a good contribution to their overheads which HUll KR havn't got' But we get that in exchange for an agreed rental payment (and half our gate income over 7,800 ish)
And as for poor old down at heal cant make ends meet rovers? Well whose fault is that then? Could it be something to do with the fact that when both RL clubs were offered the chance to play at the KC it was the vision and business sense of Shane Richardson who decided to take the risk despite gated of under 6,300 and took the plunge whilst the small minded small club attitude of Rovers turned it down because they would 'Never fill it'.
Just my observations of course and perhaps I have go this all wrong sand we have in our midst the greatest Philanthropist this City has seen since Tommy Ferens but I am very suspitious of what is unfolding here and what the Council is actually up to!
As for our club we are right to stay stum, let Hudge enjoy the obvious limelight he craves and wait and watch!'"
Excellent post Wilf.
The more I hear about Allam the more I distrust him...
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| Just listened to the Allam Radio interview and he talked loads of rubbish, he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about, in regards to the stadium.
He must have had some excellent people on his business team to make the money he has.
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| If Allam thinks we dont pay anything for the KC, we should stop paying the SMC anything, would he notice?
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| Quote ="Dave K."Just listened to the Allam Radio interview and he talked loads of rubbish, he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about, in regards to the stadium.
He must have had some excellent people on his business team to make the money he has.'"
My favourite bit was his rambling diatribe regarding how sportsmen and woman don't have asbo's and that everyone involved in sport is of some great character!! He clearly hasn't been introduce to Mr Cockeyne as yet.
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