cant argue with that doc

It really isn't a nonsense figure. You asked how many fans would it take to lose £500k of income and I gave you that figure. IT really is that simple and not nonsense.

You again fail spectacularly to see the bigger picture. Elements of the support base of the club has indicated its either backing off or is undecided as to how much it will commit to for next season. The owner, with already signed players is rightly concerned about how income will cover the contracted costs.

You then quote comments about "emotional blackmail", yet you are happy to believe the owner's claim of 8000 hardcore fans.

Make your mind up, other wise this circle will never end

Season passes are for sale at prices of up to £260, I used a broad brush figure of £200, that would account for VAT.

The SMC costs is exactly that, it would not affect the top line.

Regarding your comment in bold. That's your opinion and that's fair enough. Its not mine though. I saw no real reason to attend those last two games so when I had other offers of thing to do, I chose not to attend (despite having a season pass). As I mentioned earlier, I dont attend friendlies as a rule as they are nothing games, a little like the Hudds and Cats games.

Unfortunately most of our good performances came away from home.

McDermott spent 2 years under a proven Head coach ,then 4 years at London.

Radford has never learnt his trade as an assistant, under a proven Head Coach..

I can think of a few coaches,I'd rather have, however I feel
we need an addition of an attack coach,who has not been part of this club's fabric,since Cooke left.

It's absolutely complete nonsense to think we'll lose 2,000 passholders from last year.



I haven't missed that point at all, i've just blamed Perason's constant talk of top 4, Wembley and false promises for it.



Would you commit to the spend if you couldn't envisage being able to meet it? I'm pretty sure Pearson wouldn't.



The emotional blackmail is when he's at award ceremonies telling people there may not be a club to support if they don't buy a pass. I merely suggested that was a load of bollox because of what he'd said about the 'core support'.


Not sure what else there is to be said, I like Pearson and i'm sure we'd be far worse off without him. I just don't like the threatening rhetoric surrounding this years pass sales. We'll be fine.

Who did he spend 2 years under? Tony Smith? Why was Smith a proven coach then and who did he spend 2 years under to make him proven?

On wiki it's got

Tony Smith
Hudds/Sheffield 2001/2003
Leeds 2004/2007

Jon Sharp Hudds 2003/2008

Brian McDermott
Hudds ass 2003/2005
London 2006/2010

How did McDermott get "qualified" when he didn't, at that time, play under a proven coach?

McDermott wasn't the most popular guy at Harlequins, it seems, ring any bells? viewtopic.php?f=27&t=428784

McDermott wasn't the most popular guy at Harlequins, it seems, ring any bells? viewtopic.php?f=27&t=428784

If I was McDermott I'd be seriously thinking of moving on. Only way is down from here for him.

When Tony Smith took over at Huddersfield, he gelled them into a cohesive team, so he is proven as a Head Coach.-IMO

He must have been good, for Leeds to entice him away under contract,and move Powell 'upstairs'.

Quote ="ccs"McDermott wasn't the most popular guy at Harlequins, it seems, ring any bells? retro.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=428784'" Only four pages?! Poor effort. We can (and have) done lots better!

Quote ="ccs"McDermott wasn't the most popular guy at Harlequins, it seems, ring any bells? retro.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=428784'" Only four pages?! Poor effort. We can (and have) done lots better!

Try the Leeds forum... there's plenty more on there.

I think what Sheldon's saying is that McDermott served as assistant under an uproven head coach at Huddersfield ie John Sharpe, not Tony Smith, then went onto London as an unproven head coach.

Quote ="ccs"McDermott wasn't the most popular guy at Harlequins, it seems, ring any bells? retro.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=428784'" Reading through that is frightening as there's so many similarities there between Harlequins and what we appear to be going through. Some on there were talking about lack of ideas, poor tackling, failing to support etc and a need for an attacking coach. And it sounds like BM was as puzzled as Radders is now as to why it happens and what can be done to fix it.

Quote ="ccs"McDermott wasn't the most popular guy at Harlequins, it seems, ring any bells? retro.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=428784'" Reading through that is frightening as there's so many similarities there between Harlequins and what we appear to be going through. Some on there were talking about lack of ideas, poor tackling, failing to support etc and a need for an attacking coach. And it sounds like BM was as puzzled as Radders is now as to why it happens and what can be done to fix it.

Quote ="Armavinit"I think what Sheldon's saying is that McDermott served as assistant under an uproven head coach at Huddersfield ie John Sharpe, not Tony Smith, then went onto London as an unproven head coach.'" Ah right...... McDermott worked 4 years under Tony Smith in total. (1 year at Hudds.3 year at Leeds) www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/f ... nald-mcrae

Quote ="Armavinit"I think what Sheldon's saying is that McDermott served as assistant under an uproven head coach at Huddersfield ie John Sharpe, not Tony Smith, then went onto London as an unproven head coach.'" Ah right...... McDermott worked 4 years under Tony Smith in total. (1 year at Hudds.3 year at Leeds) www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/f ... nald-mcrae

He got them relegated and lost a record 13 in a row.

I'd say gentle got us gelled into a cohesive side.

What about Maguire? When Wigan appointed him he wasn't qualified. In fact he'd never been a first team coach before. Therefore how did Wane get qualified?

I don't think anyone would argue that Radford was appointed as a head coach way too soon in his career, and not one Hull fan would say they were happy with what we've done under his tenure these past two seasons.

That said, there are facets of our game that are good, such as our meter making, field position & defence, but other (probably more important) elements of our game that are substandard. Radford IMO isn't a bad coach, but he hasn't yet proven he's a good one either, and needs help, whether that me more experience on the coaching staff or an attacking expert.

Quote ="weaver93"Ah right...... McDermott worked 4 years under Tony Smith in total. (1 year at Hudds.3 year at Leeds) www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/f ... nald-mcrae'" You were the one who said he spent 2 years under a head coach, wiki was a bit mis leading as well. Either or, Smith wasn't proven to start with.

Quote ="weaver93"Ah right...... McDermott worked 4 years under Tony Smith in total. (1 year at Hudds.3 year at Leeds) www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/f ... nald-mcrae'" You were the one who said he spent 2 years under a head coach, wiki was a bit mis leading as well. Either or, Smith wasn't proven to start with.

Maguire worked 6 years under Bellyache.

Wigan wanted Bellyache, but he said "Madge is ready"

They took a chance on his recommendation....

According to 'Bellyache' in his opinion, as assistant coach needs at least 4 years to serve under a Head Coach, to progress to the next level.

So it's 4 years now.

Did anyone tell Saints? Cunningham only had 2 years as assistant.

Nathan Brown didn't get 4. Nor Wayne Bennett. But Gentle did wtf?!?

There's no set formula, if you think someone's your best candidate you appoint them.

My opinion has actually changed on Radford a bit this afternoon after seeing the Harlequins thread about McDermott as it has got me thinking seeing the parallels between their situation on the pitch back then and ours now. Before reading that I thought, as you mentioned, that Radders was appointed way too soon. But my personal opinion of him based on what we have seen so far is that he is a bad coach.

Now I'm having a rethink. Reading that thread it seems clear that Harlequins fans didn't rate McDermott in a similar way to how a lot of us don't rate Radford. The problems they cited on the field are a lot of things that we bemoan and McDermott was struggling to figure out what was going wrong and turn it around. Something Radford has admitted to in the past.

Yet McDermott has now just gone and won the treble with Leeds. Can he really be the same coach that the Harlequins fans wanted sacking? If anything it shows that back then he was unproven and at Leeds he's proven himself. Maybe that means that the next club that Radford coaches will benefit from him earning his stripes with us? Who knows. But what I would suggest is that he's had better tools and a better infrastructure to work with at Leeds than he did at Harlequins that's helped him achieve success. Is our set-up closer to the Leeds model or the Harlequins/Broncos model I wonder?

That is Bellamy's opinion- 4 years...

I think your brioadbrush figure is way out. Even a top priced ticket is only just over £200 net of VAT. Add in kids tickets as low as £60 and concessions around £130 and I'd have said the average would be nearer £150.

You're right that the income figure wouldn't be affected by the SMC agreement but it's a fairly fundamental thing when we're actually considering profit/loss, not turnover.

As for your reasons for non attendance then I'll take your word for it but I doubt many of those attending weren't going because the games had no bearing on league position, but down to our general shatness at home

I think radford would have been in with a good shout of winning something in the last 3 years with this leeds squad. I'm not very convinced mcdermott is a great coach. Big test for mcdermott next season with sinfield and peacock going

I reckon BM knew that the players he had at London were limited and when he got the job at Leeds he probably found it a lot easier with massively higher calibre players.