The fact that this is subject to debate shows what a mess we are currently in regarding our head coach. I honestly don't know who I'd rather have out of the two of them.

It is certainly close, Radford recruitment is better (just the fact that we have signed some halfbacks) and I think we do play better rugby under Radford (Goes back to the halfs again).

Agar failed to make the top 8 in his first two seasons, lets hope Radford does better than that.

Is Radford just Agar with a bigger chequebook though?

Wouldn't say so, the club still spent up to full cap when Agar was in charge. Paid the fee for Westy while he was in charge too didn't we?

Agar took us to Wembley in his first part season but our league form was dire. His first full season was dreadful, but his second full season was actually a good year. Perhaps our best since 2007. Ironically it was Radford that cost us a top 4 finish that year. 2011 was bang average but he did at least make the playoffs.

I wouldn't fancy either in charge, but if it had to be one or the other it would be Agar every time.

I'd argue that there's not a lot in it, but did Agar have the young players available to him that Radford has and has seemingly squandered or going to squander?

We won the Academy GF in 2007 didn't we, so he had the best of that bunch to use during his tenure. He had an awful record of bringing juniors through.

2005, From what I remember Tommy Lee, Thacrkray, Washbrook, Wheeldon, Houghton and Kirk Dixon stood out that season and around that time. Agar in 2008 should have done better with those, but is argue that the attacking talent in Shaul, Crooks, Lineham, Lancaster, HTW, Dean, Abdull that Radford has/had available is better.

Therfore, according to the yardstick used to measure success on here, he's a better coach than Radford.

And yet we all shouted for him to be sacked and to AP's credit he did just that. Peversely then why is he hanging on to Radford when, as you say, Agar was actually the better of the two.

God knows!

If I remember correctly from several of his post mortums, I don't think 2007 was actually Agar's 'team'. Even when he was leaving, he was still looking for the final pieces of his jigsaw.....

Shame, we'd have won a hat trick World Club titles if only we had given Agar time. Think Radford is in the same mould and we won't win a thing in this Millenium, unless we get rid of him too.

Interesting thought. Clive Woodward is a Rugby League fan. During his playing days he left Leicester Tigers to go and play Rah Rah in Australia. While there he used to go and learn from the Manly coaches. You can see from his time in charge of England, how he brought in elements of Rugby League e.g. Multiple phases, instead of booting it in to touch at every opportunity, Defence coaches (Mike Ford), Jason Robinson etc

I'd still go for Brian or Tony Smith. As Staffs FC said in another post, it's all about fine margins. Either if these two could gain us 6+ points per game and if you apply this to our results over the past few seasons, we'd be knocking in the door of a Top Four place, instead of the Bottom 4.

Before Radford gets ideas above his station, he hasn't been good enough it get us over the line in the tight games and therefore we need to employ a Coach who can.

How about Brian AND Tony Smith, both not contracted for next year, YET.

blimey

, I'd be happy with just 1 of the smiths

Morrissey is playing Hull Arena in September, maybe Motu can go and have a word.

I'd be happier with Tony than Brian

Peter Sharp and Andy Hay.

tbh I would aswell. nothing against brian, but think tony could use a new challenge, and we would be a challenge. but as said before, powell would be the one for me...

Looks simple to me.

You would think that Brian isn't going to want a head coach's job after 4 or 5 years, this is a great opportunity for Radford to step to aside and be coached by a master.

From what I remember of Brian Smith he started to create a club not a team, the threepenny stand rebuild was down to him, building a team of coaching staff and understanding how a rugby league club should be ran.

Bring him in, let him build some systems and make a start on the club Hull idea

I agree with your comments, someone of Smith's calibre & experience is required.

Training regimes & mental & physical preparation need to be independently analysed, but the major problem is...

Would the owner sanction such a move?

IMO,Adam Pearson is blocking the progress of this club.

Agree whole heartedly with the bit in bold.

Why AP is so determined to back Radford when its clear to anyone with even half an idea of the sport can see it is simply not working and Radford is floundering, does the owner not listen to the ramblings of the man he has entrusted in turning the club around??

The mental attitude is worse now than it has ever been and even Radford had admitted on a number of occasions in post match interviews he doesn't know how to sort it.

We just lack any sort of plan, attitude and intensity, effort maybe there but if no one in the team knows what the hell they are doing then all the effort in the world wont make much of a difference against teams that have effort, ideas, organisation and desire. Sadly we are missing the last 3.

IF

If only Radford would resign or Pearson admit he made a big mistake replacing Peter Gentle with Radford and sack him.
If we lose the next three games and its a distinct possibility surely he has to go based on performance.
If Brian Smith would agree to come back to Hull that would be a great move for the club

I listened intently to Smith's interview when he first arrived at Wakefield.

He stated he was in a self imposed exile for 2 years, as he didnt need the pressure anymore of coaching in the NRL.

He moved into a remote country area where he took up farming, he said [uhe didn't know, how long he would stay coaching at this moment in time,it depends on how his mindset is/will be.[/u

I get the impression by his comments,he would love to return to Hull FC, but for mine, only as a short term appointment.

He would be suited to a role of a 'Coaching Consultant', to guide, tutor an unproven Coach, then probably return to the wilderness of the Blue Mountains outside of Sydney.

IF Pearson is hell bent on Radford/Last/Horne, surely it wouldnt do ANY harm , as Smith as previously taught Robinson,Anderson,Brown,Potter,Taylor,Morgan,T Smith etc.

Depends how ambitious, the owner is....-IMO

Panic on the streets of Humberside?
I wonder to myself