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| Quote ="daveh"Good post Andy. How long was AF at Man Utd before they won anything?'"
3 years. However their really is no comparison.
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| Please get the England Job...
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| Quote ="daveh"Good post Andy. How long was AF at Man Utd before they won anything?'"
Wayne Bennett had 10 years at Brisbane Broncos and is another example of sticking with a coach.
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| fcandy can you seriously say in 2+ years Agar been in charge say you have seen improvement in playing style, motivation and game plan??? because i only see individual improvements......... I'm in no way callin for head yet but give next 3 games thats it!!
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| Quote ="fcandy"Wayne Bennett had 10 years at Brisbane Broncos and is another example of sticking with a coach.'"
you are kidding right?? you are surely just stating that for geek value and not that we should stick with Agar for 10???
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| Quote ="wilsonshull"fcandy can you seriously say in 2+ years Agar been in charge say you have seen improvement in playing style, motivation and game plan??? because i only see individual improvements......... I'm in no way callin for head yet but give next 3 games thats it!!'"
No, like I said in my original post, he can only be judged on this season IMO as this is his team that he has assembled and recruited. I can honestly say that with his team, overall, there has been an improvement from last year. I think it would very harsh to sack a coach who has won every home game so far (including KR friendly) plus getting a win away to Saints. Just think he should be given more time.
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| Quote ="fcandy" Just think he should be given more time.'"
to pack his things and get the ferk outta dodge
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| Quote ="GODS UNDERTAKER"you are kidding right?? you are surely just stating that for geek value and not that we should stick with Agar for 10???
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I think you know I didn't mean let’s stick with him for 10 years. Not sure what you mean about 'geek value' in the context of what I said? How could the board justify sacking him after he has won every home game so far (including KR friendly) plus getting a win away to Saints? Look I'm as frustrated as everyone else; I’m just trying to see the bigger picture and not just the two bad away performances. The negativity of the fans at times must transfer to the players and ultimately their performances. I understand the negativity is born out of frustration of 2008 / 2009 season. Just let’s give this season a chance first before writing it off. It’s what you do at the end of the season that counts.
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| Quote ="GODS UNDERTAKER"to pack his things and get the ferk outta dodge'"
If we got a new coach and he lost the first three games you would be chanting for his removal! What are your expectations for the season, win every game? A top four finish and one of the finals to me would be a great season. We are on course to do that so chill out with the lynch mob attitude!
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| Quote ="fcandy"I think you know I didn't mean let’s stick with him for 10 years. Not sure what you mean about 'geek value' in the context of what I said? How could the board justify sacking him after he has won every home game so far (including KR friendly) plus getting a win away to Saints? Look I'm as frustrated as everyone else; I’m just trying to see the bigger picture and not just the two bad away performances. The negativity of the fans at times must transfer to the players and ultimately their performances. =#0000FFI understand the negativity is born out of frustration of 2008 / 2009 season. Just let’s give this season a chance first before writing it off. It’s what you do at the end of the season that counts.'" Nail on the head for me that.
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| Quote ="fcandy"If we got a new coach and he lost the first three games you would be chanting for his removal! What are your expectations for the season, win every game? A top four finish and one of the finals to me would be a great season. We are on course to do that so chill out with the lynch mob attitude!'"
your entitled to your "happy to trot along" opinion and i am entitled to mine, maybe I just demand more from my team than you expect??
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| Quote ="GODS UNDERTAKER"your entitled to your "happy to trot along" opinion and i am entitled to mine, maybe I just demand more from my team than you expect??'" If he's entitled to his opinion, why the dig at it?
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"If he's entitled to his opinion, why the dig at it?'" When people are self opinionated other peoples opinions don't count
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| Quote ="kt170496"When people are self opinionated other peoples opinions don't count
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| Quote ="fcandy"No, like I said in my original post, he can only be judged on this season IMO as this is his team that he has assembled and recruited. I can honestly say that with his team, overall, there has been an improvement from last year. I think it would very harsh to sack a coach who has won every home game so far (including KR friendly) plus getting a win away to Saints. Just think he should be given more time.'"
IMHO
The excuse of Agar's team he has recruited and assembled is wearing a bit thin.
One question,
Has Nathan Brown and Michael Maguire assembled and recruited their own players???
I rest my case!!!
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| I'd like to see Agar see the season out but imo we need a clean sweep of the coaching team for next season as I don't think Agar can take us much further. He can't motivate his players consistently, his tactics are limited and he seems unable to develop a player.
Imo players like Briscoe, Hall and Houghton need the right guidance and I am not sure they are getting it and even players like Yeaman, Horne and Tansey can become much more rounded players but need a coach who will identify the areas for improvement.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"I'd like to see Agar see the season out but imo we need a clean sweep of the coaching team for next season as I don't think Agar can take us much further. He can't motivate his players consistently, his tactics are limited and he seems unable to develop a player.
Imo players like Briscoe, Hall and Houghton need the right guidance and I am not sure they are getting it and even players like Yeaman, Horne and Tansey can become much more rounded players but need a coach who will identify the areas for improvement.'"
I agree Paul, Agar has failed to develop a single player, in fact, the entire organisation has failed in it's responsibility to develop anyone for ten years.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"If he's entitled to his opinion, why the dig at it?'"
Because it's come to a point we're people are too stubborn to except other people's? And the reason I've been leaving the forum alone as of late.
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"Because it's come to a point we're people are too stubborn to except other people's? And the reason I've been leaving the forum alone as of late.'"
It depends, when people back up their point of view with facts then it's fine, a bit like when I say I don't rate whiting, and AA points out how well he has played, I cannot argue against, the guy is having a great season so far.
It's called reasoned debate.
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| Quote ="Standee"It depends, when people back up their point of view with facts then it's fine, a bit like when I say I don't rate whiting, and AA points out how well he has played, I cannot argue against, the guy is having a great season so far.
It's called reasoned debate.'"
Nah Standee, Im not against debate or expressing opinions on here, in fact the opposite.
But It's at a stage which people's views have become so strong that nothing else can change them, no matter what Hull do. Therefore I've tried to stay away from threads which seem more like pointless arguments then debates.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"I'd like to see Agar see the season out but imo we need a clean sweep of the coaching team for next season as I don't think Agar can take us much further. He can't motivate his players consistently, his tactics are limited and he seems unable to develop a player.
Imo players like Briscoe, Hall and Houghton need the right guidance and I am not sure they are getting it and even players like Yeaman, Horne and Tansey can become much more rounded players but need a coach who will identify the areas for improvement.'"
Paul,
My major worry!!
Is that our youngsters not retained by the club, being deemed not good enough.
Then they go to another club, whereby they reach their potential.
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| Quote ="weaver93"Paul,
My major worry!!
Is that our youngsters not retained by the club, being deemed not good enough.
Then they go to another club, whereby they reach their potential.'" Who?
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| I'm 'Happy' to give Rich Agar til the midway point of this season.....then reveiw the situation. He has brought some reat class players to FC......Fitz is a legend, O'Meley is Awsome and Longy is a REAL SCRUM HALF (something we have been lacking since 'Casper' got injured!!!!
I watched the Salford game with great expectation.....and it ended in misery. The only thing that made my night was the fact that KR had got beaten by a really poor Catalans team!!!! (I hate when they can gloat).
So.....Lets end the witch hunt and get behind our coach at least until the season just can't be saved!
Ya never know......we may all be heading to Wembley and/or Old Trafford this year!!!
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| Quote ="Standee"I agree Paul, Agar has failed to develop a single player, in fact, the entire organisation has failed in it's responsibility to develop anyone for ten years.'"
What about Tom Briscoe?
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"What about Tom Briscoe?'"
his natural talent is been wasted.
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