Quote ="Matty_HullFC"So who would you play at 13? Washbrook? So you'd leave Hame out I'm guessing? (e.g. Fitz to 2nd row, manu to bench?) What about Bradford? They have no decent half backs and still play a battering ram at 13. Ask Huddersfield fans how they feel about having so many pivots in there team... viewtopic.php?f=26&t=461874'" In an ideal world i'd play 1. Tansey 6. Horne 7. Long 9. Houghton 13. Whiting Based on this seasons form. With our current injuries i'd simply replace Long with Washy.

Quote ="Matty_HullFC"So who would you play at 13? Washbrook? So you'd leave Hame out I'm guessing? (e.g. Fitz to 2nd row, manu to bench?) What about Bradford? They have no decent half backs and still play a battering ram at 13. Ask Huddersfield fans how they feel about having so many pivots in there team... viewtopic.php?f=26&t=461874'" In an ideal world i'd play 1. Tansey 6. Horne 7. Long 9. Houghton 13. Whiting Based on this seasons form. With our current injuries i'd simply replace Long with Washy.

We have a winner!

I'm sure you will agree that there is a slight difference in size and cost of the projects

Fair point about the game moving on. I appreciate it's not just Hull that take the approach. Sadly for me it's an approach i dont agree with and i dont think it's to the benefit of our game to play 3 props and encourage boring safety first rugby.

If thats the direction the sport is taking i can see spectator numbers dropping over the coming years to stay at home and watch paint dry.... and save £20 per game too.

But they don't have much problem getting over the line do they?

I don't think our problem is getting up to the line, it is just that we seem clueless when we get there. It was the same last season even with a poorer pack.

If we are weak in the pivots, then why not have an extra pivot at 13?
At least it makes us less predictable to defend against.

Drama queen

. The game has never had 4 pivots, all that's changed is the FB being the pivot instead of LF.

You say that now Dave but it's been like it in Oz for a while, there is very few "very" one sided games over there and my interest in the NRL/SOO is stronger than ever.

If you look at the shift though.

Old days
1. Running attacking exciting full bacl
6 & 7 pivots
8 & 10 Workhorse props
13. Pivot

Now
1. Pivot
6 & 7 Pivots
8&10&13 workhorse props.

Tell me how the balance as changed? My view is that we now have one less exciting back and 1 more plodding forward. That cant be a good move can it?

Said this a few times, people blamed our pack last year for the majority of our problems, yet we have a far better pack this time around and the problems are the same.

But they have super creative halves to make it work. They have 8 or 9 international quality 7s for example.

We dont have that skill in our game which makes it dire to watch certain teams in SL, including ours.

Do you think Shaun Briscoe is an olden day full back?

Did you see Leeds while Sinfield was out? Go on there forum and ask them.

So? Didn't stop you saying it both stands would be open for business in Feb 2010 in your franchise application.

Yes, thats why we kept Motu to move towards the new way of playing.

Thats why Rovers look better with Murrell at 13 as a pivot when Briscoe is at 1.

tansey

You're right there.

So, should we be reducing the quota to stop these people coming over and passing on there knowledge? Is it to the detriment of our own game?

Do you think Birscoe is a more exciting player than Tansey?

Tansey is a pivot for me rather than a running exciting full back. (putting his run at Bradford to one side)

He's hardly a Kemble, Hampson, Radlinksi type of full back.

it's an option!! i suppose the same could be said of our national football team.not enough talent cos there are too many foreigners,playing in the prem!!

Its not about the quota for me, it's about youth investment from a school age. I read somewhere that Oz invests 25x more money into schooling for rugby league than we do hear to teach their kids the basics from a young age.

Because of that investment at a young age every single age group is incredibly competetive, something we lack in this country to really push development.

It's ok giving Joe Bloggs a £10,000 scholarship but how will he develop when playing against kids that aren't on a scholarship.

We have the full structure wrong imo.

he has produced runs quite regular this season(maybe not exactly the same as bradford) and is heading in the right direction.

The money's not in our game Dave.

Could help but think when Cummings answered this question that we should maybe try to tap into their pipeline of officals and get some international secondments going.

Appreciate that mate, so should we stop chasing the ghost that it Australia then and concentrate on getting our own house in order?

Whats the point in changing tactics and changing the way we do things to emulate them if ultimately we're always going to be 10 years behind and the gap is growing due to finances?

I agree he's moving in the direction of been a well rounded top class full back. He's still classed as a pivot though and not an old fashioned running full back.