If I just tell them I've got £150m to invest, will they listen to me? Or will they make me prove it with costed proposals/estimates and evidence of where the money is (or where it can be obtained from if its not already held)? A reasonable fag packet plan would be OK, presumably, or could I go in like Dragon's Den and just make it all up?

He is after all, asking the council to give him something on the basis that he will follow up. There appears to be no commitment or plans from him to actually do so.

Unless I'm wrong, and it does happen, the council have also seen no evidence of any funds other than what Allam has "told" them, via the HDM mostly, it seems.

As a proud citizen of Hull, you should be a little relieved that the council appear to be acting reasonably diligently in their rejection of the "plans".

Nothing to stop Allem approaching them again of course, but if he doesn't come up with something a bit more concrete, they'll be fully justified in throwing him through the door, never mind slamming it.

If Hull City were to get they hands on the KC Stadium Owning the Stadium
it would push up the value of Hull City only. That would be a valuable asset for them.
Mr Allam has a very successful business which is worth a lot of money .Let him sell that to get the cash
for his dream and if it go wrong it's only his dream that goes up in smoke and NOT
the Tax payers of Hull if he doesn't like it not getting his hands on the KC Stadium.
He can build his own Stadium with his own Assets .Don't get fooled by people
offering false gifts .

I think we would all love Hull to have a genuine 150m investment, olympic facilites etc etc etc. Noone would argue with this. If Allam had the right plans I would support them. Clearly though he wants something for nothing, unless he can counteract that statement. Allam will destroy the city in a sporting sense IMO as he really doesn't have a clue. City fans at work were really for this originally, and rightly so, but his lunatic ramblings have brought common sense to them.

Oh really! You turn up, out of the blue, on a rugby forum, wearing your Tiggers shirt and assert that the Hull City Council should gift ownership of the KC stadium to the owners of Hull City Football Club?


Now, that is a request I would only expect from a person with the mental orientation that Standee suggested you possess.

Come back when you find where I assert that the Council should gift ownership to anyone at all.

No they weren't and it wouldn't make any difference.



Your solution is a posibility and certainly worth a discussion, if only someone hadn't locked a door that needed to be opened.

If gifting is on the agenda, then yes it could be the crux, as it isn't....

As it stands, he's not asking the Council to give him something. He's proposed a joint venture, one possible option within it has a suggestion for how the Council could pay for its share. Another would be for the Allams to buy the stadium complex (at what seems an inflated price) and the council to use that money to buy a share.

If you went to the Council with a £150 million scheme, I'd expect them to listen and to weigh up the options, but if you think these sort of schemes start of with anything other than broad generic values based on previous builds, there's little wonder you're confused.

As for being diligent, not even listening properly and discussing the options on an area that's going to need funding is far from that.

Has Allam put in an offer to purchase the stadium and land then?

One elected member of the Council has made the unilateral decision that the land's not for sale, which is surprising as his own leader had previously suggested a discussion to hear the options and a referendum. As it stands, no offers of any kind either of gifts or purchases have been made, merely a broad outline of a proposed concept.

Are a few squash courts, a gym, Hull City's new training facilities, a Burger King and a whole load of commercial buildings standing empty 'cos nobody want to rent them a conceivable income generator to maintain a council chuck-away of 40 Mill and a mortgage of another 80 Mill?

I suggest Assem waits until all the commercial lets in the much more asthetically appealing Humber Quays complex are rented and Albert Ave swimming pool, Costello, and the Pearson Park bowling green are buzzing to the extent that further investment is necessary. He may gain a bit of credibility to his argument that the lack of a few sporting and commercial facilities are all that are "holding the city back".

Face it, a housing and minor commercial development is hiding behind the smokescreen here.

You're not thinking of the kids. The huge Tescos on West Park will see the number of Asbos in the city drop by 80%. Honestly, woman, don't you listen?

What's with the mans obsession with Squash Courts. Always had this down as a sport which would probably not be played by street corner hoodies. Is there some sort of underground squash movement going on that we're not aware of. Hmmm, maybe Allam is more 'down wid it' then we give him credit for

I recall similar arguments offered when, after sending public money paying way over the odds for the Boulevard, over £40 million more, some from public funds was requested for a stadium for 10,000 RL fans 15 days a year with RL contributing nothing but shortsightedly pressing for a limit on capacity.
At least they waited for the proposals to be on the table.

Tsk. Silly me. They can form a partnership with the non-Asbo-saved kids rescued by the sister branch Tescos a couple of hundred yards down the road in St Stephens.

I reckon it's a legal place to go where kids previously destined for Asbos are able to squash each other flat under controlled conditions. Nowt to do with bats and balls.

What, like a supervised version of 'All pile on', hmmm think your on to something there

Just you wait until we're in The Reealio Grand Final. We could be Eggettybudge World Champions yet

Ah.......... eggettybudge.........

the first rule of squash club, is .......

I'm off to the council with my £150m scheme as I type. The fact that it's all pie in the sky with no funding streams in place, and relies on me getting ownership of a public asset, means, I suspect, that I'll get short shrift, like your mate did.

Maybe I should park up somewhere and actually think it through before going to the decision makers with my "broad generic values based on previous builds".

As I said, nothing to stop him going back with a better more thought out proposal. I imagine he's working on it right now, even before the toys get put back in the pram.

I've got a plan to turn Vicky Square bogs into a nightclub. It should keep drunkenness underground.

Anybody interesting in investing?

Rather depends on how much you value democracy I suppose.

One Cllr, without recourse to his electorate or the committee he represents, and against the published views of his party and Council leader decided the land's not for sale before he'd even heard the proposals.

As I said in my first post on this thread, small minded people putting their own prejudices before forward thinking have held this City back for years. That's not to say the stadium should be sold or the sports village built, but at least it should have been discussed. Not only has the current debate affected this investment, but it could well affect potential future investors who see the poor way this was dealt with.

There seems to be a group on here that can't see beyond being for or against a proposal that hasn't even been offered, prefering to take the discredited comments of someone that simply wasn't prepared to listen.

It leaves the Council needing to find funding to redevelop the area, something they said they'd do when the Stadium was first proposed. Who knows, maybe a self made millionaire will come forward with a scheme? They've been tripping over themselves for years to do that haven't they?

Out of interest, as the Council overpaid for the Boulevard and gifted a £40 million+ stadium to Hull FC, with no contribution from the Club or RL, should the profits be paid back to the Council until the amount plus interest is repaid?

Has anyone heard the proposals? Has Mr A actually made any formal proposals? My reading of it is that Geraghty has said the KC is not for sale to Allam because the reasons put forward aren't good enough, or even in existence.



Fair points.



Which bit of the area? West Park itself looks OK. If you mean Anlaby Road, then I agree it does need some redevelopment. Do Allam's "plans" include that?



So it's our stadium now and we let City play in it? Glad we've got that sorted

At least you seem to be open to discussing it.

How do you feel about the blanket block rather than seeing a possible opportunity with mutual benefits?
Had the discussions gone on, I'd have hoped they could have brought out a bit more detail.
Had it been decided not to progress [iafter[/i that it would have been more reasonable, but two reasons for end of talks have both been shown to be nonsense. The first one was the Fair, which was later retracted, then protection of the RL, which was shown by the Clubs owner to be a none issue. The finance one is cloudy at best, but closed before it could even be opened.

Allam hasn't proven anything regarding FC, he's a charlatan and not to be trusted.