It would be if he was sat in the back seat allowing you to play stupid games

Quite right, because comparing a driving instructor to a professional RL head coach is a pefectly valid and worthwhile thing to do.

And needless to say it's just a complete coincidence that the discipline and decision-making of teams coached by the likes of Maguire, Tony Smith, Noble and Brown is far superior to ours.

lots of effort again but lack of disclipline and basic errors costs us again sounds to familiar to me and sums us up, yeah a decent performance but wigan were there for the taking but wasnt good enough

No we expected Hull to have a disciplined structure and a mental strength to take advantage.

something that is clearly absent from any coaching

Losing a lead against 12 men is unforgivable no matter who you are playing.

As you say yourself - you couldnt make it up - saying how well the discipline of a team is that just had a player sent off!

Think the biggest problem is can we consistently perform like that ?that's the frustrating thing

Quote ="garry brindley"Quite right, because comparing a driving instructor to a professional RL head coach is a pefectly valid and worthwhile thing to do. And needless to say it's just a complete coincidence that the discipline and decision-making of teams coached by the likes of Maguire, Tony Smith, Noble and Brown is far superior to ours.'" www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... 11&hp2=150

Quote ="garry brindley"Quite right, because comparing a driving instructor to a professional RL head coach is a pefectly valid and worthwhile thing to do. And needless to say it's just a complete coincidence that the discipline and decision-making of teams coached by the likes of Maguire, Tony Smith, Noble and Brown is far superior to ours.'" www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... 11&hp2=150

You know I get sick of the bloody moaning minnies on here. Ok most of us have issues with RA as coach. But that sounded like a massive improvement in performance. Be fair and give credit where credit is due for Gods sake!!

Why are you so keen to reaffirm the impression that you aren't very bright by facetiously pretending you don't understand the point I was making?

I'll spell it out for you:

Regardless of the Tomkins sending off, Wigan's discipline under Maguire is vastly superior to ours under Agar. Do you think that is a coincidence?

hahahahah "you couldnt make it up!!!"

Quote ="garry brindley"Why are you so keen to reaffirm the impression that you aren't very bright by facetiously pretending you don't understand the point I was making? I'll spell it out for you: Regardless of the Tomkins sending off, Wigan's discipline under Maguire is vastly superior to ours under Agar. Do you think that is a coincidence?'" Is it? www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... 11&hp2=150

Quote ="garry brindley"Why are you so keen to reaffirm the impression that you aren't very bright by facetiously pretending you don't understand the point I was making? I'll spell it out for you: Regardless of the Tomkins sending off, Wigan's discipline under Maguire is vastly superior to ours under Agar. Do you think that is a coincidence?'" Is it? www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... 11&hp2=150

Quote ="Old_Faithful_IAKW"www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_club.php?season=2011&stat=penalties&hs1=2011&hp1=350&hs2=2011&hp2=150'" Penalty stats are in no way the only measure of a team's discipline, but if you want to play stats why not use those from the most recent whole season instead of 5 games this year? www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... 11&hp2=150

Quote ="Old_Faithful_IAKW"www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_club.php?season=2011&stat=penalties&hs1=2011&hp1=350&hs2=2011&hp2=150'" Penalty stats are in no way the only measure of a team's discipline, but if you want to play stats why not use those from the most recent whole season instead of 5 games this year? www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... 11&hp2=150

Oh dear, read above and weep.

A great contest today. Players were really up for it and some terrific defence on show both ways. Unfortunately the usual suspects' individual errors/indiscipline let us down. The important thing here is the response IMO and how we turn 3 improving performances, but only 2 points, into some back to back wins.

Quote ="garry brindley"Penalty stats are in no way the only measure of a team's discipline, but if you want to play stats why not use those from the most recent whole season instead of 5 games this year? www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... 11&hp2=150'" The one where Wigan are the only team worse than us?

Quote ="garry brindley"Penalty stats are in no way the only measure of a team's discipline, but if you want to play stats why not use those from the most recent whole season instead of 5 games this year? www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... 11&hp2=150'" The one where Wigan are the only team worse than us?

Quote ="Old_Faithful_IAKW"Is it? www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... 11&hp2=150'" Dont worry hell be talking about the discipline of wearing shirts and ties for games or how you behave in the bar afterwards now I would imagine!!! Seems like somebody else is doing better than just giving the impression of not being very bright!

Quote ="Old_Faithful_IAKW"Is it? www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... 11&hp2=150'" Dont worry hell be talking about the discipline of wearing shirts and ties for games or how you behave in the bar afterwards now I would imagine!!! Seems like somebody else is doing better than just giving the impression of not being very bright!

Disappointing to lose, we deserved more. We gave a few penalties away towards the end but probably more out of tiredness. I think had we not lost Ogre we might have seen the game out.

Great effort from the coaching staff and the players.

That's the one, Wigan gave away one more penalty than us and won SL, we finished 6th.

Do you really want to claim we were a more disciplined team than Wigan?

Maybe you should especially check 2009 as well... and while your at it check who won the fair play league.

If we continue with the effort we showed today and the partnerships develops with Horne, Obst, Phelps and Long then we should pick up some wins in the next few weeks.

I disagree with that comment but Hull still have plenty to work on for sure.

I think the problem isn't necessarily the number of penalties, more when and where we give them away.

We turn it into wins by getting rid of Agar...simplez.End of the day...played 5 won 1 is crap,no matter who we have played,but some on here are happy that we nearly beat the champions with 12 men and lost it when they was down to 12 men...why doesnt he coach the bloody wingers how to defend...not the 1st time Sharp has been caught out this season.....looks like another Craig Hall...he got hung out to dry last season at Wigan.Why doesnt Agar hit them with Fines then for penaltys and Washbrook should be the bloody reserve t-carrier.

No you're right, cos penalty count is the only worthwhile measure of discipline. And last year our discipline was superior or at least on a par with Wigan's.


Honestly.