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| Quote ="frepneyboy"Depends how its used. We will see owners with brains do really well with it.'"
Hopefully
Quote ="frepneyboy"There are many options, it dopesnt just mean "paying over the odds for an Aussie who was "coming anyway"" .'"
That's not quite what I said. I said we'll pay over the odds for the type of player that came maybe 5-10 years ago. Ex rep players.
Quote ="frepneyboy"The Marquee player could be our top earner, say £120k comes off the cap, then it enables us to put that £120k into other players to retain them, to stop Saints Wire etc offering them more.'"
I think you're massively underestimating the amounts involved. There's plenty of players knocking around the league now on £120k I reckon.
Quote ="frepneyboy"It doesnt have to be Aussie or Kiwi, it could be a RU player from anywhere.'"
Unless it was somebody who'd been in RL first (Eastmond, Burgess etc.) then nobody will take the risk of signing a RU player.
Quote ="frepneyboy"It could be a player from another club, any nationality, I'd assume Roby wont be Saints super earner, but we could me him the top dog, and Saints couldnt compete (insert other names, Roby is only an example)'"
I just don't see it working like that, and I don't particularly see the point in doing it that way.
Quote ="frepneyboy"Dont be so quick to dismiss it.'"
Just remember, this was a half d idea dreamed up by the mad doctor at Salford because he wanted to sign SBW.
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| Quote ="weaver93"Heard Shillington could be a target for the Dragons and Storm...
The big guys in the NRL (ie who dont play a lot of minutes)
could be surplus to requirements next season, with the interchange rule
reduced from 12 to 10...
Not sure IF that rule will be introduced here.'"
It's already at 10?
NRL are reducing it to 8. Carney said on sky a while back that he and someone at the RFL were backing plans to reduce it to 6! It'd be utterly ridiculous. As Peter Sterling said, you've got to keep these big guys in the game, that's not the way to go.
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| Quote ="*1865*".
I think you're massively underestimating the amounts involved. There's plenty of players knocking around the league now on £120k I reckon.
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You reckon, so unless you know and willing to say here, we'll work on recent "top" earners at Hull eh?
Again, an example
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| Taylor to be confirmed shortly after we play Salford in a few weeks, apparently. Him, Ellis, Paea, Watts, Bowden and Green is decent enough I think.
RE Hodges, awesome player and current SOO, the sort of names we should be linked with. Saw him play a game in the halves last year in his dinner suit, just too good. He's a prize prick, not that it makes any difference. Would like a younger centre though, it's definitely an area we need quality. Strange to think less than two years ago we had a homegrown centre in the dream team, how things can change.
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| Quote ="*1865*"It's already at 10?
NRL are reducing it to 8. Carney said on sky a while back that he and someone at the RFL were backing plans to reduce it to 6! It'd be utterly ridiculous. As Peter Sterling said, you've got to keep these big guys in the game, that's not the way to go.'"
Weren't we at 6 interchanges in 2002? What's the bloody point of going up to 12 and then working back down to 6?!
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| Quote ="frepneyboy"You reckon, so unless you know and willing to say here, we'll work on recent "top" earners at Hull eh?
Again, an example'"
It's called a marquee signing, it can hardly call itself 'marquee' if it's the same as the wage others already here earn, can it eh?
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Weren't we at 6 interchanges in 2002? What's the bloody point of going up to 12 and then working back down to 6?!'"
I agree. Luckily it was only Carney and someone (who he did name but I can't remember) at the RFL.
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| Quote ="*1865*"It's called a marquee signing, it can hardly call itself 'marquee' if it's the same as the wage others already here earn, can it eh?'"
I think you missed the point.
I tried to show i might not be about a "signing"
For some clubs it'll be about removing the top earner (perhaps already in the squad) off cap so the rest of the squad can be paid more to retain the squad.
Like we have had to pay a "premium" (according to some) just to secure any player above the likes of Leeds.
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| Quote ="frepneyboy"I think you missed the point.
I tried to show i might not be about a "signing"
For some clubs it'll be about removing the top earner (perhaps already in the squad) off cap so the rest of the squad can be paid more to retain the squad.
Like we have had to pay a "premium" (according to some) just to secure any player above the likes of Leeds.'"
I just don't see it working like that. That's definitely the way i'd prefer it to be used, but SL has wealthy benefactors propping clubs up who will just want to sign a superstar mercenary from the NRL. The teams that can't afford it just won't use it, for instance, Wakey aren't anywhere near full cap at the moment so could sign a marquee player.
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| How I understood it was that they're voting on two separate rules.
The first is a marquee player exemption, whereby a maximum of £200k count towards the cap, for one nominated 'marquee' player. As an example, we could sign Greg Inglis for £500k a year, but only £200k goes onto the cap. This is the Koukash rule. It'll hopefully see a higher calibre of player come to SL, the next tier of quality than that we have at the moment.
Then there's the home grown player rule, whereby one home grown player who has come through the academy I believe is exempt should they be paid £200k+. So, for example, if HTW turns out to be a world beater, we can pay him what he's worth without it having a detrimental effect on the rest of the squad. It only really applies to those top English players who may have their head turned to go elsewhere, like Watkins, Tomkins, Burgess etc. The club gets the benefit from bringing the youth player through.
Both rules only benefit those at full cap, but my opinion on that is, why should SL be held back by the few clubs that can't afford full cap whilst we see some of our best players leave.
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| Quote ="Errlee Berd"How I understood it was that they're voting on two separate rules.
The first is a marquee player exemption, whereby a maximum of £200k count towards the cap, for one nominated 'marquee' player. As an example, we could sign Greg Inglis
for £500k a year, but only £200k goes onto the cap. This is the Koukash rule. It'll hopefully see a higher calibre of player come to SL, the next tier of quality than that we have at the moment.
Then there's the home grown player rule, whereby one home grown player who has come through the academy I believe is exempt should they be paid £200k+. So, for example, if HTW turns out to be a world beater, we can pay him what he's worth without it having a detrimental effect on the rest of the squad. It only really applies to those top English players who may have their head turned to go elsewhere, like Watkins, Tomkins, Burgess etc. The club gets the benefit from bringing the youth player through.
Both rules only benefit those at full cap, but my opinion on that is, why should SL be held back by the few clubs that can't afford full cap whilst we see some of our best players leave.'"
I'd prefer, one day, to see players who are developed in your own academy completely exempt.
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| You've got to remember that the whole idea of a salary cap was to prevent clubs from overspending.
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| Apart from Salford Wigan etc
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| Quote ="*1865*"I'd prefer, one day, to see players who are developed in your own academy completely exempt.'"
Bingo....I have been saying this for ages.
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| Paea is staying
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| Quote ="*1865*"I'd prefer, one day, to see players who are developed in your own academy completely exempt.'"
There should be a few ways of doing this, maybe similar to a No Claims discount on insurance
Youd need to be clear on grey areas like a player who has only done 1 year etc
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| Quote ="Errlee Berd"How I understood it was that they're voting on two separate rules.
The first is a marquee player exemption, whereby a maximum of £200k count towards the cap, for one nominated 'marquee' player. As an example, we could sign Greg Inglis
for £500k a year, but only £200k goes onto the cap. This is the Koukash rule. It'll hopefully see a higher calibre of player come to SL, the next tier of quality than that we have at the moment.
Then there's the home grown player rule, whereby one home grown player who has come through the academy I believe is exempt should they be paid £200k+. So, for example, if HTW turns out to be a world beater, we can pay him what he's worth without it having a detrimental effect on the rest of the squad. It only really applies to those top English players who may have their head turned to go elsewhere, like Watkins, Tomkins, Burgess etc. The club gets the benefit from bringing the youth player through.
Both rules only benefit those at full cap, but my opinion on that is, why should SL be held back by the few clubs that can't afford full cap whilst we see some of our best players leave.'"
I thin k this would work and I would actually go with the first bit (providing the club and demonstrate where the money is coming from - might be a joke I know)
I would also then implement the second part in addition to this. Like Hutchie says though, with rules and caveats.
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| Quote ="Hutchie"Paea is staying'"
Please let this be true.
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| im trying to recall the exact figures i was told but i believe the average is for every 100 players who play Academy, 13 make it to a SL appearance.
Of them 13, only 6 go on to make 10 appearances or more and only 4 remain at the club over 2 years later.
This is an average accross all English clubs
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| Excellent news about Paea, really worried he would go, he has been as good as any other prop in the league this year.
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| Think we needed paea to stay even if we have signed Taylor , if it was one in one out we wasn't strengthening in my eyes . Pleased if it's true , if we have Taylor could we maybe lose 2 props , feka plus one more .
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| Quote ="*1865*"I'd prefer, one day, to see players who are developed in your own academy completely exempt.'"
Yep Totally agree .
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| Good news on paea. Who is likely to be leaving for us to bring in taylor plus 2 aussies?
michaels
rankin
feka
Any more? Can't imagine those 3 are on much between them
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