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| Quote ="WormInHand"I too think this is a factor, but why? What difference does it make if profits increase under a good but independent coach? It's completely illogical.'"
You've not met kath then?
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| Quote ="Standee"because the number of people that believe he would do that can be counted on one hand, he's not going to quit knowing full well even a championship side wouldn't be too bothered about securing his services.
I know he is a friend of your wolfie, and I don't meant to be disrespectful to the guy, but he is totally out of his depth and is costing the club I love dearly, he is also presiding over the collapse of what were promising up and coming youngsters.
it will take 4/5 seasons to get some of the people who have walked to come back to the club.'"
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| i chucked towel in last season along with 4 of my other pals coz of what we expected this season we are going further and further down hill under this regime but whilst we have so many rose tinted speccies we are fuuuuucckkked
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| Quote ="fc baldy"If we go out of the cup next week (not a big if i grant you) and we then drop out of the top 8(again,not a big if) in following matches....would you take being outside the top 8 meaning that Agar hasnt improved us as a team from 2010 and MAY result in him gettting his long over-due and correct sacking.'"
He has taken us from a poor start in 2008 to be the biggest under achievers in rugby league. We have gone backwards and Warrington and Huddersfield - even Cas and Rovers it could be argued - have overtaken us.
Should we get knocked out of the Cup next Sunday and even if we then miss the play offs he will remain in charge at least until mid 2012, probably until the end of his contract. Actually should we start well next season the board will no doubt extend his contract.
There is not a cat in hell's chance he'll be sacked before next season.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"He has taken us from a poor start in 2008 to be the biggest under achievers in rugby league. We have gone backwards and Warrington and Huddersfield - even Cas and Rovers it could be argued - have overtaken us.
Should we get knocked out of the Cup next Sunday and even if we then miss the play offs he will remain in charge at least until mid 2012, probably until the end of his contract. Actually should we start well next season the board will no doubt extend his contract.
There is not a cat in hell's chance he'll be sacked before next season.'"
well lol i remember when i use to come on here a season ago and you used to slat me for the comments i put on regarding agar and the set up. well what ever i dont get of on what speccies say i just think we are on a demise that is inevitable coz things aint gonna change for a long time coz its all down to cheapness and our board are clearly happy with things oh dear, they neeed to listen to analysts of the game like cullen stevo and clarkey who say we have no attack no quality in the middle and without that we will never develop
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| Quote ="butler"well lol i remember when i use to come on here a season ago and you used to slat me for the comments i put on regarding agar and the set up. well what ever i dont get of on what speccies say i just think we are on a demise that is inevitable coz things aint gonna change for a long time coz its all down to cheapness and our board are clearly happy with things oh dear, they neeed to listen to analysts of the game like cullen stevo and clarkey who say we have no attack no quality in the middle and without that we will never develop'"
You have me confused with someone else. I was against Agar's appointment from day one and my opinion has never changed.
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| My glass is half full on this subject . Lets hope he has plenty of time for his garden next season.
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| Regardless of what happens from now and the end of the season he should go. Let's face it we could argue we are still battling in all the cups, but we are not going to win either trophy or make the finals.
Most forward thinking clubs re evaluate and consider all options. Leeds did it with Powel before their dominant years. Wigan did it with Nobby and the Giants did it with Sharpe and each club progressed to the next level. I suspect that is what is behind Justine looking elsewhere and also why Cas are looking.
The big question that Rule and Kath need to ask is Can Agar take the club to the next level. That as things stand being top 4 for a starter. His record indicates that despite having more time than any coach in living history he has failed on all aspects of the head coaches role. He has had 6 years at the club in two roles and has presided over semi success with 3 final appearances. We look as likely to reach a final now as Quins, Crusaders etc.
I have withdrawn my financial support for the club and I am not alone.
I will say though I would love to see us at Wembley and OT so do not wish for us to lose so as to be able to see the back of Agar. I do though strongly feel that he should never have been employed as Head Coach and likewise feel his time is well and truly up. Until then I will not be seen at the KC or in the club shop.
The hc role is a full time job and well paid so I do not see Agar walking away it is therefore up to the BOD to get rid.
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| IF we win
Will he get 2 more years
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| Quote ="Graham Richards"Regardless of what happens from now and the end of the season he should go. Let's face it we could argue we are still battling in all the cups, but we are not going to win either trophy or make the finals.
Most forward thinking clubs re evaluate and consider all options. Leeds did it with Powel before their dominant years. Wigan did it with Nobby and the Giants did it with Sharpe and each club progressed to the next level. I suspect that is what is behind Justine looking elsewhere and also why Cas are looking.
The big question that Rule and Kath need to ask is Can Agar take the club to the next level. That as things stand being top 4 for a starter. His record indicates that despite having more time than any coach in living history he has failed on all aspects of the head coaches role. [uHe has had 6 years at the club in two roles and has presided over semi success with 3 final appearances.[/u We look as likely to reach a final now as Quins, Crusaders etc.
I have withdrawn my financial support for the club and I am not alone.
I will say though I would love to see us at Wembley and OT so do not wish for us to lose so as to be able to see the back of Agar. I do though strongly feel that he should never have been employed as Head Coach and likewise feel his time is well and truly up. Until then I will not be seen at the KC or in the club shop.
The hc role is a full time job and well paid so I do not see Agar walking away it is therefore up to the BOD to get rid.'"
Eh? Kear and Sharp presided over the first 2, the only think he's "presided" over was a Dykes-inspired win over Wakefield and a subsequent failure to achieve anything in play-off rugby against SL competition.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Eh? Kear and Sharp presided over the first 2, the only think he's "presided" over was a Dykes-inspired win over Wakefield and a subsequent failure to achieve anything in play-off rugby against SL competition.'"
Sorry part of the team that presided over the teams who got to the finals. No 2 for 05 and 06. He would certainly have had some influence.
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| Quote ="fc baldy"If we go out of the cup next week (not a big if i grant you) and we then drop out of the top 8(again,not a big if) in following matches....would you take being outside the top 8 meaning that Agar hasnt improved us as a team from 2010 and MAY result in him gettting his long over-due and correct sacking.'"
It should enough but god knows if it will be.
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| I've given up hoping that any specific failure will finally trigger his departure, it's too disappointing when the moment passes and he's still here. The only thing I do know is that once we do get rid, I'll be back in the stands at the very next match day. I reckon it'll be a big gate too.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"I've given up hoping that any specific failure will finally trigger his departure, it's too disappointing when the moment passes and he's still here. The only thing I do know is that once we do get rid, I'll be back in the stands at the very next match day. I reckon it'll be a big gate too.'"
What if McNamara is the coach
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| Quote ="PAUL M"What if McNamara is the coach
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Don't make stupid jokes.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"What if McNamara is the coach
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I wouldn't be happy with his appointment, but I'd at least give him a chance, I did the same for Agar even though I had reservations.
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| Quote ="hullbg"The only way he will walk is if he has another job lined up. Sadly I cannot see anybody else wasting time or money on a failed coach.'"
No No No, he said he would walk himself if he felt he wasnt up to the job, or something similar. Which is worrying as the bloke is obviously deluded.
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| but he obviously said that to get fans onside if you like saying good stuff like ill walk if we are underachieveing reality is that he hasnt and most likely wont it will be the board that make the decision but be time rule comes to his sences the club could be down to 9-10k crowds losses big money and not having produced a home grown player for years
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| Quote ="fc baldy"If we go out of the cup next week (not a big if i grant you) and we then drop out of the top 8(again,not a big if) in following matches....would you take being outside the top 8 meaning that Agar hasnt improved us as a team from 2010 and MAY result in him gettting his long over-due and correct sacking.'"
Yes
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| Quote ="wolfie"why isnt it?
whats to say he wont stick to what he said he will do and walk.'"
Wolfie as a Man he should do that - the sad thing is I am half looking for us to lose against Leeds in the Cup in the hope that as a Man he does that.
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| The only thing that will spring the board into action is declining gates an income.
Crowds are already down on the 'official' figures, and I personally think a few of the announces gates have been inflated (no way was there 11,600 against Salford for example)
I hope Sunday's game is played to a near empty KC (I personally am boycotting) and the board finally start to realise they are looking at heavy losses next year (due to loss of season pass income)
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| Quote ="Standee"because the number of people that believe he would do that can be counted on one hand, he's not going to quit knowing full well even a championship side wouldn't be too bothered about securing his services.
I know he is a friend of your wolfie, and I don't meant to be disrespectful to the guy, but he is totally out of his depth and is costing the club I love dearly, he is also presiding over the collapse of what were promising up and coming youngsters.
it will take 4/5 seasons to get some of the people who have walked to come back to the club.'"
You are so right - but what can we do. I will sit in my garden this year next year I dont know - Please can some -body see how bad it is at our Club.
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| Given that the club have never even considered his position to be under threat at any stage this season it would be an incredible shift of thinking if they were to get rid of him. I just can't see it myself and Agar must be odds-on to be our coach at the start of the 2012 season. Meanwhile, the likes of Cas and Rovers will be keep moving forward under new leadership and we'll be left behind.......
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| Quote ="Airlie the Cat"Given that the club have never even considered his position to be under threat at any stage this season it would be an incredible shift of thinking if they were to get rid of him. I just can't see it myself and Agar must be odds-on to be our coach at the start of the 2012 season. Meanwhile, the likes of Cas and Rovers will be keep moving forward under new leadership and we'll be left behind.......'"
Cas / Rovers , Wigan & possibly Leeds , That will be three coaches out of the potential list .I don't think Hull can afford to mess around any longer .
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