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| Quote ="Danny 2"must be if tony has 1'"
Only if you are basing it on squad numbers.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Is he?'"
Is Motu or is it because he has no1 on his back?
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| Quote ="Kosh"Must have been good to rate above St. Briscoe.
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| Quote ="Danny 2"i dont think byrne will get dropped simple as that
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Byrne wouldn't be getting dropped. He is "covering" our first choice FB until he is fit to resume playing.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Only if you are basing it on squad numbers.'"
What are you baseing it on then.....Byrne doesnt deserve to be dropped.....if i wasnt for him,we wouldnt have won.....he pulled off 2 one on one try saving tackles (and to someone else on here that never happens) and won us the game.....Wigan never put the bomb on him again after he took the 1st couple.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Byrne wouldn't be getting dropped. He is "covering" our first choice FB until he is fit to resume playing.'"
Yes he is. But if Byrne plays like he did on Friday Motu needs to work very hard to get back in the side immediately upon his return. Could be an arguement for him playing a game or 2 in the 21s first for that match fitness. Nice position to be in to not rush him back in.
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| Bynre stays at FB for me, Motu needs to earn his place back.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Byrne wouldn't be getting dropped. He is "covering" our first choice FB until he is fit to resume playing.'"
Jesus Andy...thats a bloody blinkerd way of looking at it.....Byrnes performance doest warrant Motu returning.
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| Isn't it great having competition for places
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| Quote ="fc baldy"Is Motu or is it because he has no1 on his back?'"
The numbers have nothing to do with it.
Motu is our first choice FB I dont see how anyone can argue with that. If he had been fit on Friday he would have been playing FB. Whether you think he is our best FB or not has nothing to do with it as Agar sees him as our FB so therefore he is our first choice FB. The issue of who is our first choice Centre partnership is less clear.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"The numbers have nothing to do with it.
Motu is our first choice FB I dont see how anyone can argue with that. If he had been fit on Friday he would have been playing FB. Whether you think he is our best FB or not has nothing to do with it as Agar sees him as our FB so therefore he is our first choice FB. The issue of who is our first choice Centre partnership is less clear.'"
First choice full back or not he is not guarenteed to come straight back in when the number 2 thats covering for him is playing so well. Lets see how Byrne backs his performance up v Celtic.
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| Quote ="B0NES"Isn't it great having competition for places
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No! We need injuries again to stop these discussions!!
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| Quote ="Robbo4"The numbers have nothing to do with it.
Motu is our first choice FB I dont see how anyone can argue with that. If he had been fit on Friday he would have been playing FB. Whether you think he is our best FB or not has nothing to do with it as Agar sees him as our FB so therefore he is our first choice FB. The issue of who is our first choice Centre partnership is less clear.'"
I agree he is 1st choice but the performance by Byrne doesnt warrant him being left out for Motus return....ok he doesnt clear the line well but he is safer in other aspects.......I actually like Motu at fullback but he cant walk straight back into the team.
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| Quote ="fc baldy"Jesus Andy...thats a bloody blinkerd way of looking at it.....Byrnes performance doest warrant Motu returning.'"
I disagree as I dont think it was that impressive an all-round performance.
Lee Smith has been playing well for Leeds at FB but do you think if Brent Webb was fit next week he wouldn't be straight back in the team?
Motu IMO is a far better player and Byrne having a decent game on Friday doesn't change that. Until Motu suffers a lack of form the position is his IMO.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"First choice full back or not he is not guarenteed to come straight back in when the number 2 thats covering for him is playing so well. Lets see how Byrne backs his performance up v Celtic.'"
Id agree if Motu had been playing poorly but the only reason he isn't playing is injury. Motu gives the team more IMO and should take his place back in the team when fit.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"I disagree as I dont think it was that impressive an all-round performance.
Lee Smith has been playing well for Leeds at FB but do you think if Brent Webb was fit next week he wouldn't be straight back in the team?
Motu IMO is a far better player and Byrne having a decent game on Friday doesn't change that. Until Motu suffers a lack of form the position is his IMO.'"
Well we have different views on what a display it was.....you may like your fullback dropping bombs and letting balls roll and not making tackles but joining the line and clearing line runs of upto 100mtrs in new world record time ...I like mine to be safe under the bomb,ball on floor ( i know he knocked one on) and pull off try saving tackles like he did friday to win us the game and to get a safe field position on kick returns...he also uses his wingers very well on this score.
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| Is it even certain that Tony will be available for selection for the weekend?
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Id agree if Motu had been playing poorly but the only reason he isn't playing is injury. Motu gives the team more IMO and should take his place back in the team when fit.'"
So does Hall,Washbrook and to a extent Whiting...should they be all brought back in?
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| Quote ="fc baldy"I agree he is 1st choice but the performance by Byrne doesnt warrant him being left out for Motus return....ok he doesnt clear the line well but he is safer in other aspects.......I actually like Motu at fullback but he cant walk straight back into the team.'"
Why not?
Say Horne picked up a knock in training and couldn't play on Saturday and Washy fills in and plays well, does that mean Horne cant get back into the team until Washy has a bad game?
We have first choice players in this team. They are players who are important to the team and are the first choice in those positions, people can "cover" those positions but unless the player has been dropped for poor form they should get that place back when fit.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Is it even certain that Tony will be available for selection for the weekend?'"
But but but he has healing powers..he is the messiah...
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| Quote ="fc baldy"So does Hall,Washbrook and to a extent Whiting...should they be all brought back in?'"
Are they considered "first choice" in any particular position?
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| Quote ="fc baldy"But but but he has healing powers..he is the messiah...
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I thought it was Motu ...not Brian?
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| Quote ="fc baldy"Well we have different views on what a display it was.....you may like your fullback dropping bombs and letting balls roll and not making tackles but joining the line and clearing line runs of upto 100mtrs in new world record time
...I like mine to be safe under the bomb,ball on floor ( i know he knocked one on) and pull off try saving tackles like he did friday to win us the game and to get a safe field position on kick returns...he also uses his wingers very well on this score.'"
If your looking it at it from a viewpoint of being undecided on who our first choice FB is then fair enough. IMO the coaching staff see Motu as the FB at this club and Byrne is cover for the backs. Therefore Motu should get his place back until he plays poorly.
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Tony won the FB spot off the back of Briscoe being injured. What's sauce for the goose perhaps?
If Motu needs to earn his place back, should washbrook have continued at 6 and Horne been made to earn his place back?
Difficult choice and TBH I imagine that Agar will make the selection based around how he wants the team to play rather than who 'has the shirt' or who may have played a blinder in a single match.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Are they considered "first choice" in any particular position?'"
Whats "1st choice"...thought it was a squad....
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