Quote ="48756c6c20 524c4643"We OWE Last absolutely nothing, it's this out of date faux loyalty that makes us less effective and sticking to players/staff that will continue to mean we don't get the right staff on/off the field and thus not getting results. Last has been at the club for over a decade in a coaching capacity, the lead youth team coach and assistant at a top tier club for years, he's apparently being stricter with the players https://www.totalrl.com/hull-players-fa ... ng-regime/ with apparent approval from the captain and others, he's had plenty of experience in a coaching capacity so excuses on the basis its his 'first game as head coach' , it simply doesn't wash! From TRL The interim coach revealed last week that he had implemented a system of fines to ensure the Black and Whites’ playing squad were being held accountable for their actions on a daily basis. Houghton, who admitted to falling foul of the system already, said it had helped instil a different environment within the camp. “That was one of the biggest things that needed to change,” Houghton said. “I think everyone’s application and how they’re going about things is top-drawer at the moment. “We’re only in our second week of training, so that’s going to be the test, when boys start getting tired and fatigued later in the year; that’s when the standards need to be kept high and the senior boys need to drive those standards and make sure we don’t slip, because we’ve tended to slip too often in previous years. “It’s a big thing moving forward for this group to get to the next level and competing where we were.” When asked to elaborate on punishable offences, team-mate Josh Griffin butted in and said: “Breathing!” “Yeah, you’re not allowed to breathe in camp so that’s a big problem for all the boys,” Houghton joked. “But no, just tightening things up really, not leaving things lying about, not being late for appointments, being on time for training, all those small things. “We’re just trying to tighten all those little areas to make us more accountable for what we do on a daily basis, rather than letting small things that don’t count too much slip in, which in the past has maybe had an effect on the field. “It’s been good and the boys have bought into the changes.”'" As I said. I understand the frustration but Pearson has said that the coffers are empty and as a consequence AL will get his chance to stake his claim for the job. We are where we are. If AL doesn't deliver the goods we might not have a club next year so I'm praying he can turn it around.

Quote ="48756c6c20 524c4643"We OWE Last absolutely nothing, it's this out of date faux loyalty that makes us less effective and sticking to players/staff that will continue to mean we don't get the right staff on/off the field and thus not getting results. Last has been at the club for over a decade in a coaching capacity, the lead youth team coach and assistant at a top tier club for years, he's apparently being stricter with the players https://www.totalrl.com/hull-players-fa ... ng-regime/ with apparent approval from the captain and others, he's had plenty of experience in a coaching capacity so excuses on the basis its his 'first game as head coach' , it simply doesn't wash! From TRL The interim coach revealed last week that he had implemented a system of fines to ensure the Black and Whites’ playing squad were being held accountable for their actions on a daily basis. Houghton, who admitted to falling foul of the system already, said it had helped instil a different environment within the camp. “That was one of the biggest things that needed to change,” Houghton said. “I think everyone’s application and how they’re going about things is top-drawer at the moment. “We’re only in our second week of training, so that’s going to be the test, when boys start getting tired and fatigued later in the year; that’s when the standards need to be kept high and the senior boys need to drive those standards and make sure we don’t slip, because we’ve tended to slip too often in previous years. “It’s a big thing moving forward for this group to get to the next level and competing where we were.” When asked to elaborate on punishable offences, team-mate Josh Griffin butted in and said: “Breathing!” “Yeah, you’re not allowed to breathe in camp so that’s a big problem for all the boys,” Houghton joked. “But no, just tightening things up really, not leaving things lying about, not being late for appointments, being on time for training, all those small things. “We’re just trying to tighten all those little areas to make us more accountable for what we do on a daily basis, rather than letting small things that don’t count too much slip in, which in the past has maybe had an effect on the field. “It’s been good and the boys have bought into the changes.”'" As I said. I understand the frustration but Pearson has said that the coffers are empty and as a consequence AL will get his chance to stake his claim for the job. We are where we are. If AL doesn't deliver the goods we might not have a club next year so I'm praying he can turn it around.

No relegation, may as well write this season off. Offload the uninterested, and blood some youngsters fo the rest of the season. Get Wynne, Johnstone and Brown in the team.

With Taylor out, I couldn't believe Brown missed out.

I responded because you said that "we have to bear in mind" (the result) because it was his first time as head coach and getting used to being in charge, sorry but IMO that really doesn't cut it as an excuse for that performance, not since the noises coming out the club as I linked to.
What 'coffers'? Is Pearson stating that he has no money personally, it's his company right, he's basically then said -by saying there's no money in the coffers, that he no longer wants to invest in the company he owns.
Clever move, basically showing us he now has lost interest in the club and cutting his losses, that attitude of no money (after piddling away a ton on players like Fonua that we didn't need) will never see us move forward.

His gamble of employing an inexperienced ex player as a coach has cost him massively - so much so there's apparently no money and no interest in financially wanting to invest, consistently poor results, unhappy fans that are less likely to buy into the club because of those performances, it's cost us the fans in terms of a long term strategy/future.
Boom and bust has never being the way for long term success both sporting and finance wise, yeah two CC wins were great but critical mistakes have cost the club/fans of so much more. Hanging onto Last as an economic solution just tells me all I need to know about where Pearson is with the club.

We cannot just write the season off. The club needs to encourage supporters to renew their memberships for 2021. People have not attended games since March and many will have got into the habit of not going and of spending their cash elsewhere (and many will be losing their jobs of course).

It's going to be a challenge for all clubs to get people to buy memberships/season tickets with blind faith that we will be able to see games in person. If we write the season off and finish in the bottom four it'll be even harder.

Furthermore it's easier said than done offloading players who are under contract.

They're not helping themselves by taking part in divisive political stunts.

Surely playing rubbish, consistently is a breach of contract and a sackable offence?

Last must of thought he could do the job needed.
Although it was his first game, he has had plenty of time to prepare.
He knows the players and what they are about.

The main problem/worry is that nothing has changed

Would and will be another huge mistake by the club as was the interim appointment of Last.
I voiced my opinion of Radford many times and the same when Last was appointed.
He should have gone along with Radford not effectively promoted for failure.
To sit for several years as a cushy number two seeing the outdated style of play,lack of line speed and player movement and not do anything about it then you are not a future S/L coach.If the coach doesnt listen to you then if you have anything about you you look for another job.
We hear all the time from the club how good training was but nothing has changed.
The first thing you expect to see is some changes on the field.
yesterday was a disaster and i fully expect Last to be relieved of duties following defeats to Castleford next week and the following week in the C/C.
I couldnt see one change in style of play yesterday.
Same old deficiency in the opposition 20,slow play the ball,no player movement,riddled again with errors and defence a joke.
We must be the only team in S/L that cant stretch the opposition wide and score walk in tries
Last will obviously make changes but they wont be to the players that deserve to be dropped.
Ratu is an easy option and will be dropped even though i would still play him
Houghton,Shaul,Fonua,Griffin,Bowden and Sneyd all deserve to be dropped but maybe only Fonua will.
I also think Last made a selection error in starting with Sao and Ellis as the front row..We were weak in the front row and would have been better starting Bowden with Sao and having Gaz and Satae with Jack Brown on the bench.That would have been a better interchange impact.

Earlier in the year I spoke with a higher up at the club and casually mentioned that Evalds was off contract. I was literally told, why do we need Evalds when we have Jamie Shaul?

There seems to be a lot of loyalty towards the cup winning side, and if that is from higher ups, then the coach doesn't really have much input!

And would he have confirmed that we were after Evalds? I doubt it.

Im inclined to agree. There isnt a professional sports team in the world that wont budget for a head coach. I know its unprecedented times but i dont see how he can sack a coach but then say there's no money for a replacement.

Really?

Wasn't Radford's sacked pretty well the last day/week before the lockdown, and pretty well all income streams stopping for 4-5 months? Its a bit unreasonable to say that the club should have 6 months plus funds in the bank, (in addition to any possible payment due to Radford?).

LR could well be getting paid until next March, with no furlough deal to soften the blow for AP.

Same would have applied to Last if he'd been sacked at the same time. Expensive when the club is tottering on the brink.......

It may be that replacing Radford with an experienced and proven coach will cost more financially in wages than Radford plus to sign a coach now for this season would most likely mean a compensation fee to release whoever from their current contract. Not taking in to account the issues of the Covid situation and no income and its not know if AP possibly having to pay up Radfords contract.

Personally I'd like to see AP go out and get Ian Watson as he has proven the he can improve not just players on an individual level but also that he can take groups of players and mould them into a simple but effective team unit.

Lolohea as a typical example he was absolutely awful for Leeds but under Watsons coaching he's a totally different player. The amount of players Salford lose to other clubs even during a season yet takes gets fringe or unwanted players in as replacements and in most cases its a seemless transition.

I doubt very much that Watson would cost the earth to sign but looking at what he achieves with the funds and player pool he has available its undeniable he ticks all the boxes for a new Head Coach at our club to bring the best out of what is without doubt one of the most talented squads we have had at Hull FC yet they are playing so far under par its unreal.

That could add up to nearly 4 years coach's salaries (Watson is contracted 'til 2022) plus Watson's salary for this year. Not very realistic when the pot is empty.

Really. We're talking about the most important role at the club here.

He doesnt look fit which is inexcusable. Can understand a bit of muscle loss during lockdown as they didnt have the specialist gym equipment to use, but the governement allowed excerise throughout so Cardio was possible, and surely the club would have funded equipment to be delivered to players homes if needed. He was never the fastest but looked painfully slow yesterday.

Also needs to sort his hair out, spends a lot of the game tying it up or flicking it out his face, its a competitive sport not a catwalk and you dont need distractions like that.

Quote ="oooh Gravy!"There isnt a professional sports team in the world that wont budget for a head coach. I know its unprecedented times but i dont see how he can sack a coach but then say there's no money for a replacement.'" So you believe there's enough money in the pot to sign the best coach available? No chance. Last is the only affordable option. Maybe read this..... https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... st-4380552

Quote ="oooh Gravy!"There isnt a professional sports team in the world that wont budget for a head coach. I know its unprecedented times but i dont see how he can sack a coach but then say there's no money for a replacement.'" So you believe there's enough money in the pot to sign the best coach available? No chance. Last is the only affordable option. Maybe read this..... https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... st-4380552

I said throughout pre season we were light in the props.

No mention of the shoulder charge by Lannon?

No - full RFL notice for this weekend's games is

How could they miss that, and see a raising of the knee, blind baxxards

Quote ="ccs"So you believe there's enough money in the pot to sign the best coach available? No chance. Last is the only affordable option. Maybe read this..... https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... st-4380552'" Ive read it.I especially like the quote from AP: [i “The best way of us looking financially strong in December now is to win some games and to win some games at home”. [/i And the best way of winning games is by getting a proper coach in. Catch 22 eh?!

Quote ="ccs"So you believe there's enough money in the pot to sign the best coach available? No chance. Last is the only affordable option. Maybe read this..... https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... st-4380552'" Ive read it.I especially like the quote from AP: [i “The best way of us looking financially strong in December now is to win some games and to win some games at home”. [/i And the best way of winning games is by getting a proper coach in. Catch 22 eh?!

What part of the argument that we haven't got any money to spend on coaches or players don't you understand?

You sound like the kind of guy who believes in doubling up when you lose at roulette. Good luck.

I am with oooh Gravy on this. It is a catch22.
If Last cannot turn things around by the end of this season (and I sincerly hope he can) then were are as good as done, unless we get a decent coach who can turn us around.

The question is, how much could we lose by keeping A Last if he fails?
Is what we could perhaps lose, be more than what we would need to pay for a successful coach?
The cost of failure could/would last for quite a few years.

I recon we could well lose a couple of thousand season members anyway regardless of how well we do or don't do. (just my wild guess)
I doubt there would be much IAKOW next year.
So we would be depending on walk ups to keep us alive.