Wouldn't be very neutral though if it was in Leeds.

Home advantage is meaningless in pro sports (for reasons I've explained previously) and elland road isn't headingly. Sure you'd get more Leeds fans than if it were at the keepmoat/KCOM but the reality is the venue in itself with respect to playing performance means nothing.
otherwise why have we lost more at home than away and our really poor performances were at home?

Home advantage meaningless in pro sports? Are you sure about that?

Elland Rd is a horrific ground. I'm 5' 1" and even I struggled with leg room when we went to the 4 Nations Final there years ago. My much taller friend had to watch the game on the concourse as she simply couldn't sit down.

I'm interested in what you say. Why do you think home advantage is meaningless in pro sport, when pretty much every single set of stastics displays that home wins occur more often than away wins. Every now and then an individual team might throw an an anomoly for a short period, but the trends certainly show that home games definitely are an advantage?

Quote ="Jake the Peg"Home advantage meaningless in pro sports? Are you sure about that?'" Oh he'll be sure. He's that arrogant, he actually believes the guff he writes and that despite there being no evidence or facts to back up his opinion, we should all deem it credible & not challenge it. Of course, numerous studies have been conducted by academics into home advantage in sports and found there to be a number of contributing factors. Home crowd influence on the players & officials, travel, "home comforts" etc. There are anomalies (like us this year), it's not a rule, but the general trend supports home advantage. Take the Premier League for the 1617 season: www.soccerstats.com/homeaway.asp?league=england The vast majority of teams had a higher win rate, more points, more goals scored and less goals conceded at home. Look at Burnley, Spurs, Leicester and even Hull City. In SL so far this year, only three sides have a better away record than home record (us, Wakey & Hudds). www.flashscores.co.uk/rugby-leag ... standings/

Quote ="Jake the Peg"Home advantage meaningless in pro sports? Are you sure about that?'" Oh he'll be sure. He's that arrogant, he actually believes the guff he writes and that despite there being no evidence or facts to back up his opinion, we should all deem it credible & not challenge it. Of course, numerous studies have been conducted by academics into home advantage in sports and found there to be a number of contributing factors. Home crowd influence on the players & officials, travel, "home comforts" etc. There are anomalies (like us this year), it's not a rule, but the general trend supports home advantage. Take the Premier League for the 1617 season: www.soccerstats.com/homeaway.asp?league=england The vast majority of teams had a higher win rate, more points, more goals scored and less goals conceded at home. Look at Burnley, Spurs, Leicester and even Hull City. In SL so far this year, only three sides have a better away record than home record (us, Wakey & Hudds). www.flashscores.co.uk/rugby-leag ... standings/

It was a "Scientific Study" based in the US, just another of bumpy's irrelevant arguments.

Quote ="DGM"icon_biggrin.gif Oh he'll be sure. He's that arrogant, he actually believes the guff he writes and that despite there being no evidence or facts to back up his opinion, we should all deem it credible & not challenge it. Of course, numerous studies have been conducted by academics into home advantage in sports and found there to be a number of contributing factors. Home crowd influence on the players & officials, travel, "home comforts" etc. There are anomalies (like us this year), it's not a rule, but the general trend supports home advantage. Take the Premier League for the 1617 season: www.soccerstats.com/homeaway.asp?league=england The vast majority of teams had a higher win rate, more points, more goals scored and less goals conceded at home. Look at Burnley, Spurs, Leicester and even Hull City. In SL so far this year, only three sides have a better away record than home record (us, Wakey & Hudds). www.flashscores.co.uk/rugby-leag ... standings/'" Funnily, I was looking at the same stats for Superleague. Now these include the Magic fixtures where one team is named as the home side, but.. 2017 so far 65 Home wins 44 away wins 2016 (up to R23) 72 home wins 64 away wins 2015 (up to R23) 88 Home wins 46 Away wins 2014 (all rounds) 115 Home wins 65 away wins and so on.

Quote ="DGM"icon_biggrin.gif Oh he'll be sure. He's that arrogant, he actually believes the guff he writes and that despite there being no evidence or facts to back up his opinion, we should all deem it credible & not challenge it. Of course, numerous studies have been conducted by academics into home advantage in sports and found there to be a number of contributing factors. Home crowd influence on the players & officials, travel, "home comforts" etc. There are anomalies (like us this year), it's not a rule, but the general trend supports home advantage. Take the Premier League for the 1617 season: www.soccerstats.com/homeaway.asp?league=england The vast majority of teams had a higher win rate, more points, more goals scored and less goals conceded at home. Look at Burnley, Spurs, Leicester and even Hull City. In SL so far this year, only three sides have a better away record than home record (us, Wakey & Hudds). www.flashscores.co.uk/rugby-leag ... standings/'" Funnily, I was looking at the same stats for Superleague. Now these include the Magic fixtures where one team is named as the home side, but.. 2017 so far 65 Home wins 44 away wins 2016 (up to R23) 72 home wins 64 away wins 2015 (up to R23) 88 Home wins 46 Away wins 2014 (all rounds) 115 Home wins 65 away wins and so on.

Here's a link to the subject if anyone is bored enough... https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2008/ ... tmonthly16 If you're fairly bored, here's an extract... Quote But baseball remains the sport where home advantage counts for least. Indeed, baseball is the only major sport that has occasionally seen seasons during which away teams actually won more games than the home teams (for example, in 1972 the home winning percentage for all teams in the National League across nearly 1,000 games was a mere 49.4 per cent). No season in the history of English League football has even come close - the lowest recorded level of home advantage was 55.8 per cent in what was then the Third Division in 1993-94, and that looks like a statistical freak.'"

Here's a link to the subject if anyone is bored enough... https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2008/ ... tmonthly16 If you're fairly bored, here's an extract... Quote But baseball remains the sport where home advantage counts for least. Indeed, baseball is the only major sport that has occasionally seen seasons during which away teams actually won more games than the home teams (for example, in 1972 the home winning percentage for all teams in the National League across nearly 1,000 games was a mere 49.4 per cent). No season in the history of English League football has even come close - the lowest recorded level of home advantage was 55.8 per cent in what was then the Third Division in 1993-94, and that looks like a statistical freak.'"

Pah, you can prove anything with stats



Our home form (or lack of) is an odd one though. I'm sure I remember Radders alluding to it last season that perhaps the players felt under more pressure to perform at the KCOM in front of our fans.

some more stats for Hull (wins H v A - regular season)...

2017 so far
H - 6
A - 6

2016
H - 9
A - 8

2015
H - 6
A - 5

2014
H - 8
A - 2

2013
H - 8
A - 5

2012
H -10
A - 5

Total home wins 47
Total away wins 26

Good stats Stan. Interesting, we seem to have a much lower % of wins at home in the last 2/3 seasons vs 2012-14, yet it still shows a case of home advantage.

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Only 6500 sold but we're selling them near the leeds end? All seems a bit strange

Hmmm:

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Subtotal face value £800.00
HULL FC v LEEDS RHINOS · Keepmoat Stadium, Doncaster · Saturday, 29 July 2017 (14:30)
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All 45 available, not looking like a full house!

We've sold 6,500 and leeds 3,000 (?), it's not surprising there are plenty left.

Still 4 weeks, people on holiday etc etc.

Pay day for some people today too, so can imagine more being bought in the next 7 days

It's been 17 years since we tested out the McAlpine goal posts against Leeds in a semi.
Where's it all gone?

Some more casual fans will have been put off by the perception that tickets were hard to come by. Instead of encouraging casual fans and new fans to attend what should be a high profile game, they've stuck it in a small ground, made it look small time and pass holders have taken an 'everyman for himself' approach and sorted out their own seats without inviting others along. No wonder the game doesn't grow like it should.

Looks like we have almost the full West Stand and half of the East Stand as well as the North Stand.

If the stadium holds 15k then that has to be more than 6500 if those areas are almost sold out unless there are leeds fans in some of those blocks

Don't agree, it was never going to sell out, it's the right decision to play at a ground like Donny, would have been Max 13/14k at Hudds.

Any fans put off have only themselves to blame, not one semi has sold out in years, this year will be no different, fans on social media also to blame for overreacting

All studies are scientific, it was a study based on actuality not theory.
Cheering by home fans does not influence the ability of a player to play better, when you are in the moment of performing what is happening in the stands is utterly irrelevant, you may well hear the noise and when you have stopped playing you might even well be able to ackowledge it.
However that all dissapears when you are in the motions of what you are doing, you don't think I'm going to do better because of the fans/home support, you cannot exceed your capabilities through such, if that is the only thing that motivates you to do better than that is a failure to prepare mentally.
Or are you suggesting that pro sportspersons can only be motivated to do better when in front of home support, and home support that is cheering you?

Well prepared pro sportspeople perform to their abilities no matter where the game/event is taking place, they don't think, oh, we're away from home or in a stadium I've not being to before so I won't do as well/play negatively.
As I said, the venue is irrelevant, mental preparation of pro sportspeople is more important than the physical. You can have all the talent/physical attributes in the world but if you cave in/are not motivated to perform as well because you are away from home, not at your home/familiar venue then you're probably feeble minded and more likely not to be a pro sportsperson.

Now, tactical play because you're away from home is another matter altogether.

So home teams actually winning more times than away teams is fiction - I'm beginning to understand how your mind works.

There was 12,000 at Widnes v Cas in 2014 at Leigh.