I would...

Personally I rate Radford as a defensive coach, as an attack coach, someone like Pryce, Harris or Cooke etc, .

IF Pearson, really rates Radford or Horne, he needs to let them learn under a guy like Brian Smith.

I'm sure if Wakefield can afford Smith, we could.

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By making us unwelcome and seem like inferior tenants.

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It would be minimal at best, unless you have evidence that it has had a massive effect?

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More scaremongering. That, quite simply, won't happen! Even Pearson himself has spoken about the 8,000 'hardcore' supporters. Was he wrong?

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Gates across the game are down, and any material difference between us and other clubs is more likely due to the choices Pearson has made during his tenure. There has been a few mini recoveries this year, but again i'd ask the question why we aren't one of them!



I've no issue with Pearson regarding his investment, but he is scrimping in probably the most important area - coaching! I'm still very much in the pro Radford camp, but he's got far too much to do. He himself may not want help, but that's probably more down to his own stubbornness. He needs an assistant, it has to be someone from outside the club with fresh ideas, not people who have been a part of the failure for (almost) a decade.

127 pages of morons banging on about their awful coach, and how much better they'd be without him. Apologies but about as relevant to the topic as anyone else is posting right now. viewtopic.php?f=17&t=500492 There is nothing wrong with Pearson, who is trying hard to be successful, or Radford. There IS something wrong with our relationship with the management of the stadium, and the self entitled attitude of many of our fans.

127 pages of morons banging on about their awful coach, and how much better they'd be without him. Apologies but about as relevant to the topic as anyone else is posting right now. viewtopic.php?f=17&t=500492 There is nothing wrong with Pearson, who is trying hard to be successful, or Radford. There IS something wrong with our relationship with the management of the stadium, and the self entitled attitude of many of our fans.

You said the SMC were not financial harming the club, now you say its minimal at best. So, you now agree its harms the club financially



You asked how many fans we would have to lose to fall £500k behind, I gave you the answer, being half as many as we have lost in recent seasons. Thats not scaremongering, thats just plain fact.

Right, here's my take on this...

I honestly have no idea what our financial situation is. I have read/heard some things but there's a lot of contradictory stuff. For example, I know someone that was at the 150th Birthday photo a few weeks back and he told me that AP was urging everyone there to convince others to sign up as we need the support. That doesn't sound promising. But at the same time AP was also saying that games will likely return to Sundays if attendances don't pick up next year. That doesn't make it sound like we're on the brink.

We're all entitled to our opinions and choices. Some continue to support the club by getting season passes or membership passes, others are choosing to stay away. We all have our reasons for which side of the fence we're on (I've bought a pass for next year) and people need to start learning to respect that. By all means discuss with people their reasoning, say why you disagree with it, but some of the bickering and the name calling on here is just getting pathetic now and childish. People need to take a step back and calm down a little I think.

Mind you, I do think this shows just how divided the FC fan base is right now and there's plenty of blame to go around from AP down to the players as to why things are as they are. The club seriously needs to start winning fans over again and the only way to do that is on the pitch. Hopefully the signings we have made for next year will see performances improve on the pitch and with that results. If the performances improve I can see the attendances improving.

So... anyone heard anything more on the Westerman rumour?

No, I'm saying i'm not aware of any, but will happily bow to knowledge of any substantial eveidence. (relevant costs only please)



Yes you did, it's also complete nonsense figures as it won't happen. Anything you say to the contrary goes against what Pearson said himself about there being 8,000 'hardcore' and is no more than a hypothetical rumour! AKA scaremongering.

Who realistically thinks the club is going under? If it was even a remote possibility, do you think he'd have sanctioned the Pritchard/Manu deals?

If people are happy to be emotionally blackmailed in to supporting the club, that's fine. I'd rather the product on the field was the reason I went.

.... so when only 6000 actually went to the Huddersfield match, it suggests that 2000 "core" supporters didn't bother.
Lets hope next season those 2000 start going again, otherwise income really will drop, or is that too difficult to understand?

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But I thought we were talking about season passes? Or is that too difficult to figure out?

the 32 came from Huddersfield....

I'm surprised an accountant is ignoring VAT and you've also forgotten about the income sharing with the SMC so a more realistic drop in income for your scenario would be 150-200k. I appreciate that this doesn't include a likely drop off in additional income from shop sales etc.

Interesting that you didn't attend games which you saw as dead rubbers. I'd counter that and suggest that if you'd gone to the KC this season and enjoyed watching us play there you'd have gone to those games irrespective of whether they had any real meaning or not. We saw a drop off in people coming to games way before we even made the 8 and those games weren't meaningless. Other than 2 or 3 games at home (not all of which we won), we were awful to watch and there was a high probability of defeat at home which is why people stopped going IMO

You really are more clueless than me!

The attendance figure includes all passholders (whether they turn up or not), and AP said that only 6k "paying" customers actually went to the game.

Difficult to grasp by the sound of it.

Ellis, minichello, washbrook, Hadley, Manu, Pritchard, whiting, downs, fash, turgut and jordan Thompson and maybe abdull I reckon most of fc salary cap must be going on back rowers? It's no wonder there is no coin left. You don't really need Westerman. The question is will you sell him to wire or help us replace Sinfield? I reckon you have got best back row in the league with all that lot.

You need a back rower we need a centre. Westerman for Watkins

Hardly relevant though, is it? We're talking about season passes, not pass holders that decided not to turn up. Or are you honestly worried that these supposed 2,000 won't get a pass?

It's a really kind offer but might have to pass on that one. Cheers. How about Achurch for old man ellis? Even though Redford could play a few of those 12 I mentioned at prop, Westerman must be going somewhere as no point having 6 of them watching from stands. I think you need to keep faith in Radford. Reminds me of McDermott and Cunningham, good honest man trying to build something. He has not had the advantages of McDermott, like Sinfield , McGuire, burrow - 10 years of experience running the show. However, the cycle turns and ours may be coming to an end. We had 20 odd years without winning when we kept changing and spending etc. got success when we finally starting building from within. Trust Abdull and the others

Too many haven't got the patience, unfortunately.

Mcdermott learnt his trade under Tony Smith,as did Cunningham under Nathan Brown,

Radford hasnt had that vital tutelage under an experienced Head Coach..

Pearson hasnt afforded Radford that luxury.

It's a fair point. Maybe an old experienced guy to give advice may be way to go. Like sheens at salford. I just think it takes time and chopping and changing all time does not work. All the different halves hull have had over last 10-12 years compared to leeds having the same 3. I'm not close to it but he strikes me as a guy trying to do the right things. It is a big job as first one though - totally agree. With Abdull and turgut though and possibly Tyson-wilson( not seen him) you could have 3 for next 10 years. Last thing you need is to bring in an Aussie coach who signs 2 nrl talented bad lads and off you go again

Personally,I feel he needs either an attack coach, or an older head, or both.

The owner isnt doing him any favours,regarding coaching staff.

Top post MMJ.

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How long did McDermott spend under Smith, how did he put this tutelage into practice at London?

Radfords spent time with Noble, Mcrea and Gentle. Not one Hull fan can't think of a coach they'd rather have but we don't have to bend things to suit our argument.

Good post Shel, saves me the time.

I don't think it's just about lack of patience now for some fans but also a lack of trust in the club. We've been on a steady decline for about 10 years now from a time when we looked like we could have been on the verge of something special (two Top 4 finishes between 2004 and 2007 and 5th the other seasons) but despite this decline the club has always promised "jam tomorrow" during this period. Fans are (rightly or wrongly) running out of patience and want their jam today. Personally I think that with the signings we have made for next season and our up and coming youngsters that we could actually see the club deliver something pretty exciting in the near future.

The problem is that once people are losing patience they're starting to question the clubs actions be it coaching appointments, the academy merger etc. Just look at the divisive takes on the state of our finances in this thread. It's gotten to a point now where some have just lost complete faith in the club and don't believe anything that AP has to say.

I mentioned earlier that I think we could be in for something pretty exciting soon. I'm still not convinced that Radford is the man to be leading us and deliver on the potential I see (in fact he's very lucky to still be in a job IMO after winning only five matches from June onwards) but we've built him "his" team for next year and hopefully he can prove me wrong. Personally, I think we lack (and have done for quite some time) experience in the coaching ranks so I'd be all for someone coming into the club in a similar way to Sheens at Salford to help him out. Either that or an attacking coach added to our ranks.