They do give a certain amount of indication, they show you just how far down the line of reserves/signings you've gone to cobble your team together.

It's 9.

I don't mind doing it, last year I had a pass and so far this year I've been to the London and Wigan games.

i think Jake and Bet should become the new PR for Hull FC. It would be like listening to Leonard Cohen after a night on the vodka.

You will be alright after a good nights sleep.

I'd say we need a stand off, 2-3 props, 1 or 2 backrowers (depending on Tickle), a fullback, a winger, and arguably still a centre. I'd do without the fullback for next year if we can't get the right one.

The things is, in terms of ability in the first choice 17, I actually think that this year we were possibly only missing the stand-off, centre, winger and another good prop. I think the real problems lie in the gulf between our first choice and fringe players (which has been correctly identified as the neglect of our youth system, but will take time to fix), and the way we seem to just give things up as a bad job too easily and go through the motions. I think this latter is influenced by attitude, and over the past couple of months by some players possibly knowing their numbers are up.

It could make a massive difference next year just having a squad with more players who want to be here and who the coach wants to/can work with.

I think certain people take losing too seriously. I don't like to see my team lose, especially if they don't play well, but I'm certainly not going to react like Denbo or Lewis or JTP anymore. Life's too short. We have a new management, coaching set up who have actually improved the team in certain areas. Gentle know's what he wants for the future of the team, so I'm waiting on next season. If Gentle has the team he wants and the players have the attitude to playing and coaching that Gentle feels alot of this current side don't have I would expect a marked improvement.

Thoroughly agree.

Couldnt agree more!

Not posted for a while and wont be in the future (not missing owt granted) but I am sick and tired of the officilas deciding the outcome of Super League games nowadays. Not a knee jerk reaction but a build up of watching totally inadequate referees all year determine which side will win the game. Momentum changing calls and down right poor decisions really hold the game back.

Going back to the Saints first game at their new ground when Salford started the game the stronger, played Saints off the park only to be dragged down by the usual crappy refs calls of holding down, not standing square and having a clean pair of shorts! Saints get the roll on (thanks sir) and 3 tries later the game is gone.

I actually think Gentle is the man to take Hull forward and good times are ahead but I hate watching rugby and spending all my time shouting at the man in the middle.

The players should dictate the end result not the referee.

Agree.

hull were certainly shafted tonight. woeful ref.

Please elaborate with a few examples as I have not got a clue what you are talking about there.

I personally do not have expectations when you have been going as long as me you tend not to, in fact my pre-season predictions have been the same for the last 4/5 yrs top 4! more tongue in cheek than reality or more the fact I favour being optimistic rather than pessimistic.
Fans do have expectations and there is a link on this thread from only weeks ago claiming top 4, the fact that fans expectations of a decent finish or a decent run in are reflected in the gates and unless we make some very decent signings will be reflected next year also.
Personally I think AP is great for the club, however I hope he is getting the right advice re signings as so far barring G.Ellis they are very underwhelming and will not be a team who can compete for top 4 or a team who will bring back the fans, in fact I suspect it will lose some more imho.

They do, to insist it's referees who decide games is stupid beyond belief.

There are some major problems with the way the game's officials operate and that can be laid squarely at Stuart Cummings feet. We have publically available league tables and stats for teams and individual players but know nothing about the officials, other than the brief biographies of the RFL website.

We have full-time referees and it appears that further development is deemed unnecessary. After every game, the officials should be compelled to watch the video and then offer a self-appraisal, they should also watch the videos of their colleagues' games and appraise them similarly. Then once a week, they should meet to discuss their relative performances. This should assist in pinpointing areas that need to be worked on including: fitness, positioning, awareness of and relationship with their TJs and most importantly, general attitude and demeanor.

They are appraised on every game by each team and the RFL, there is absolutely no reason why the results of these appraisals cannot be made public, in a redacted form. Just their appraisal scores would be a start. If they have made indefensible decisions, they should then offer an explanation to the coaches of the clubs concerned and if necessary, a simple apology for cocking up. They are human, they will make mistakes, the problem has always been how they respond to those mistakes, assuming they do acknowledge that they have dropped a bollock in the first place.

On last night's match, there were a number of wrong calls, not all against us but they did seem to affect us more. Tim Roby seemed to lose concentration far too easily for my liking and when the TJ interjected for the Manu "push", he should've sent him back to the touchline with his flag stuck up his ar[is[/ie. But at the end of the day, we simply weren't good enough to beat what was a far from good Leeds team. That's why we lost.

Unfortunately (and incredibly) Dobbo isn't far off.
In the cold light of day, the PG/SM dream team that a lot of posters were creaming theirselves over isn't working out as yet.
The only thing that has kept most of us hanging in since they took over was the signing of G. Ellis.

Structuarlly I don't see a major improvement in our play.
Flat in attack, dummy runnerless, and no fooker ever on the line-breakers shoulder.
We must be the worst team in SL for kicking on the last tackle, Seymour/Horne are forever rushed, and I'd wager, without looking at the stats, that we've had more last tackle chargedowns than any other team.
These are just the basics that we can't seem to do right, whoever's in charge.

I like PG, and as with Rich before, he'll get my support, but boy, he's probably realising now the full extent of what he's took on, and the massive, major overhaul that's required to get us anywhere near.

You've still not said how the club's PR is worse than in recent years.

For the 1st time in 15 season i wont be a pass holder next season, not a knee- jerk reaction but just fed up of watching same old rubbish and i do think AP and PG are great for the club but the job they got in turning the club around is massive and dont see us improving much next season unless the signings are top class .

RLFans - the home of hyperbole and over reaction.

It is pointless even attempting to have a discussion/debate with you, your black & white glasses are way too strong, you continuously moan or mock posters who have anything negative to say about our club which makes you just as bad.I love my club and pay my money, if I or others want to raise concerns we have every right to do so. Plus you are one of the worst trolls on the KR board and have often posted links on their board when there club have claimed top 4 finishes etc, your a hypocrite!

I think that, yes, in the short term perhaps we have taken a slight step backwards. Perhaps even compared to the start of the year.

However, compare our first choice 17 with our first choice 17 now, somewhat different isn't it?
IMO the coaching/management staff have seen an opportunity this season to acquire some players they want and offload some they don't. While that may be detrimental to us in the short term they've taken the long view which is exactly what this club needs.
Plus the above is coupled with an unfortunate spate of injuries.

I couldn't agree more. There are some pathetic rants on here.
Hopefully wizeb and hullandbroncos have formed their own suicide pact.
We have a seriously depleted side, no settled halfback combination, young inexperienced players and in last night's team unfit and out of shape players in radders and Mcgoldrick yet people still expect miracles.
Beginning of season showed a lot of promise, it was there for all to see that our plays and structures had changed but with a lack of personnel and players leaving its been hard to maintain that momentum.
PG knows what he wants and is clearing the decks, we are currently a work in progress and I for one will not over react or judge on one season as some of the hysterical seem too.
This new set up needs and deserves our support right now, let's get behind this team and when Gentle has all the pieces of his jigsaw and if we still under perform at least we can make informed decisions.

Thats what i think you try say anything negative and you're classed as a troll or being wrong. Truth is were miles behind and will take major repair work getting anywere near

I'm saying that we should have better structure and organisation no matter who is playing. Being disorganised on last tackle plays when you have your 1st choice half backs on the field is knack all to do with the injuries. Having no one backing up or making dummy runs is not because we have injuries

Cheers, would be a significant improvement I think you'll agree

Good post.

I think most of us fans know that and we have an owner and coach who also know that and are trying to do something in order to address the balance. So to say you won't be renewing your pass based on this season is a ridiculous statement to make were if finances allow you can renew your pass support the regime and see how we go before jumping to conclusions like that.
If the old board were in place and Agar still coaching I would understand and support your claim but let's give the new team a go first eh.

I'm far from being suicidal, in fact, I'm an eternal optimist.
Just frustrated that we can't even do the simple things correctly.
It shouldn't be difficult for a quick play the ball on the last and to make sure our kicker is deep enough to get the ball adequately downfield.