Nobody has stated the area around the Stadium doesn't need developing But West Park is an area were people like to take they childern to play and have a good time ..People who live around there were up in arms when the lights were put up and the roads put in they complained that the Park area was getting smaller ..The main Road leanding to the Stadium want developing not a lot has been done to it over the years only the flyover that been built and HRI been improved But from there onwards nothing has changed much that were money should be spent

What do I disagree with?

Your claim of me not reading posts for a kick off. The pointless ramble about razing west park, when I'd not mentioned it. The 1000's of years of history of the fair at Walton Street. Walton Street being central, and a place already exists for the "market" you laughably describe the trading standards exercise yard as. Your claim some grass and trees would sort out the area around west park.

I didn't ignore the bit of your post that talked of the area around the stadium. It agreed with what I'd put!

All you seem to do is to counter anything anyone has posted which doesn't toe the allam party line. What do you think should be happening here?

My understanding of the reported "facts" (And as far as I know there is no documentary evidence to prove these are wrong) are:

allam met the council and proposed they gifted him the KC and surrounding area so that he could develop a sports and retail village

The council declined but instead offered him a (less prime?) site further out from the city centre, which he declined to accept

allam then effectively took his bat home and said he would no longer deal with the council

The council have said that the door is still open for further negotiation if he wants to come back

Now I may be wrong with some of that and if I am please let me know.

So we're left with a business man who wants a prime piece of land for nothing, to include a public park and the council's £40m sports stadium so he can build a mix of leisure and retail development at a cost of circa £100m

My first concern would be the availability of funding for such a development and the second would be the ability to generate enough revenue to service such a sizeable debt. The city already has significant retail space standing empty. If all that would happen would be duplication of what is already in hull then the build would be pointless and wouldn't generate further wealth in the area.

If allam can get some guarantee of a flagship store as an anchor tenant then it would certainly be worth consideration. If he can't, then why should the council be the ones to make all the running.

IMO, the council's inward investment team know that all allam wants is something to show for the £40m+ he's forked out on city and that he believes the local authority are the ones who should give him it. They also know that he hasn't got anything which even approximates a definitive plan for the site and that the chances of a successful development are somewhere close to nil.

If there is an opportunity to develop the site then surely this should go out to some kind of bidding process anyway and allam would be entitled to be involved in this along with anyone else

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Why hold a referendum, the elected councillors have made a decision from a position of far greater knowledge than the man on the street. Referendums are a pure cop out by the politicians.

If the public of Hull vote to back Allam will that make his lack of plans any more substantial??

This is a similar issue to the vote on the EU, asking the general public (a high % of which aren't the brightest) to cast a vote on something they either don't understand, or that their understanding comes from a great source like the Sun, is ludicrous.

All referendums are decided by which way the media decides it wants them to go rather than the decision which is for the good of the public.

Agree with the points you make. Also how much is the referendum going to cost the people of Hull?

Probably a fortune, this may also be a ploy to try and get more people to turn up and vote at the local elections.

Absolutely spot on. Referenda are a colossal waste of time and money, and actually detrimental to democracy.

I wonder how this bit:

[iEarlier this week, [ua full meeting of the council[/u backed a motion effectively spelling out the authority's position over the stadium.

The motion said the council was not prepared to sell the freehold interest in either the stadium or the Walton Street fairground site to Hull City owner Assem Allam without a "robust" offer and business case being put forward.[/i

Sits with Uncle Harry's assertion that the whole thing was decided by Councillor Gerraghty?

Yeah i liked that bit too. Bet Uncle Harry now does a vanishing act

I somehow doubt it. He's become something of an expert in answering questions that were never asked, while avoiding those that have been asked of him. Over the last week or so, I've sometimes felt I've been living in a parallel universe

or the House of Commons!

You need to look up what assertion means. I've seen you use it a couple of times and each time had little substance if you're using it properly.



As for the section you've highlighted, it more contradicts your position than the one you keep trying to claim is mine. It also says it's a decision based on recommendation for a position, but doesn't say who proposed the motion.

These errors of yours probably explain why you need to make odd claims about my position in all this, despite me spelling it out several times.

The one thing I find odd is your continued assertion that it was Gerraghty who single-handedly blew Allam out of the door. Or have you changed your mind since then?

Because it isn't relevant. For the record, it was me



Seriously though, if a (presumably) quorate council meeting backed a motion by the required majority, that's pretty much the council's position as a body.

So the council (not just Geraghty) are singing from the same hymn sheet and the ball is firmly in Allam's squash court. I expect once he's put his toys back in his pram, he'll be back with another proposal. After all, he wants the KC doesn't he?

None of which contradicts anything I've put.

So why mention the bit I underlined at all? As I said, if the council back the recommendation, it's irrelevant.

Hardly, given the point I was responding to and the way these things work.

Apart from all the times you've heavily intimated that it was a single councillor who had thrown out a deal with Allam without the support of other councillors or his party leader you mean?

I believe it was the Lib Dems that moved the motion for a full council meeting with regards to a referendum (muddying the waters somewhat). Agree with your comments, it's an utter waste of time and money when more important issues need addressing in this city.

There is nothing more important than Allam's dream - FACT

If those stupid councillors would only realise that once the Sporting Village is built, all will be well within the City & County of Kingston upon Hull. Coucil tax will plummet because there will be no need for a police force, the courts will resemble a public library, not that we'll be needing any public libraries because all the kids will be in school (when they're not playing squash at the Sporting Village), learning that squash is the way forward. Vandalism will cease overnight, kids will be playing sport (squash hopefully), in the Sporting Village. Hull FC will change its name to Hull Rugby League Football and Squash Club. Hull City will announce they have sold 37,000 season tickets, just prior to playing the newly-combined Manchester United and City teams in the Charity Shield.

Siemens will not come to Hull because all the available land will have been snapped up by even higher tech industries, we shall become known as The Silicon Estuary. People across the City will be humming the sort of music that used to be played in the lifts in Hammonds and butterflies and bluebirds will flit in all the streets.

Allam will be rightly recognised by receiving the Nobel Peace Prize, the Nobel Committee will inaugurate a new prize for sporting excellence and Mr Allam will receive it in perpetuity.

All it takes is a little foresight and imagination.

I think I can hear matron and the rattle of the tea cups and medicine dispensing, I'd best be off now.

Ta ta

hull will be renamed Allamtopia

I like that. Will they bring back the "big screen" and have him smiling benevolently from every TV screen too?

George Orwell may just have been 30 years out, by 2014 all could come true

Indeed. The Hull Daily Mallam and Radio Assemmerside are already censoring our protesting voices... Certainly have to conjugate thoughts in Doublethink when attempting to communicate with Funny Uncle Harry.