I'll bow to your knowledge of insanity, you seem much nearer to it than I am.

I've got a feeling you want the council to give Allam the KC stadium because it benefits Hull City AFC.
Anyway - that's my last word on the matter.

I wont be saying anything else on this subject.

Nothing more coming from me - that's it.

Off back to Melton now. Your loss not mine. End of chat.

Then your feeling would be wrong.

My opinion's nothing to do with wether I'm a football fan, it's based on being a proud citizen of Hull. If someone wants to discuss a £150 million proposal that could well lead to further inward investment, I think the civic leaders should be capable of listening with an open mind and seeing if there's room for negotiating a decent deal for all parties, not slamming the door shut after the first meeting.

even if the person proposing it is using smoke and mirrors, shouty language and general idiocy!

And that's just the portfolio holder. Fortunately legal and other experts would peruse any firm proposals and make suggestions to committees before anyone needs to buy a shovel.

no, that's your mate Mr Allam, the one who is am imbecile, I can see why you get along.

The self made multi-millionaire? Who unfortunately isn't my mate, nor do I blindly support him, as some fools seem to do with others.

I don't think either party's come out of this very well, but it's a shame for Hull that potential high value investors could be put off from much needed investment in this area.

but they said they would give him costello to build his gift..... he could still do it......

That'll be the Costello that was dismissed as a possibile location for the KC as it was unlikely to get planning permission.

When the KC was proposed, there was no firm plan, just an agreement in principle. Locations and then designs needed costing out within an existing budget, yet for some reason people want every I dotted and T crossed at such an early stage with this one.

im sure it said they offered him other land too.....

It being the statement that, as well as offering a site that's a non-starter, had other elements, like "they'll drive the rugby out in 15 months" shown to be nonsense? The one that shifted from the Fair to the Rugby as reasons why Walton Street couldn't be considered, even though it's not in one persons power to refuse it?

Debate via the HDM is a pretty amateurish way of dealing with deals of this value. I'm sure it won't have gone un-noticed by other potential investors.

I don't think that caravans on travellers sites have freehold

Difference is that the council were using their own land and their own money.

Maybe a solution to all of this would be for the ownership of the land, stadium and resulting development to be in the hands of some not for profit organisation with a board of trustees representing the council, the allams and other interested parties?

It's the gifting of a valuable public asset to an individual that is the real crux of the matter here

If I just tell them I've got £150m to invest, will they listen to me? Or will they make me prove it with costed proposals/estimates and evidence of where the money is (or where it can be obtained from if its not already held)? A reasonable fag packet plan would be OK, presumably, or could I go in like Dragon's Den and just make it all up?

He is after all, asking the council to give him something on the basis that he will follow up. There appears to be no commitment or plans from him to actually do so.

Unless I'm wrong, and it does happen, the council have also seen no evidence of any funds other than what Allam has "told" them, via the HDM mostly, it seems.

As a proud citizen of Hull, you should be a little relieved that the council appear to be acting reasonably diligently in their rejection of the "plans".

Nothing to stop Allem approaching them again of course, but if he doesn't come up with something a bit more concrete, they'll be fully justified in throwing him through the door, never mind slamming it.

If Hull City were to get they hands on the KC Stadium Owning the Stadium
it would push up the value of Hull City only. That would be a valuable asset for them.
Mr Allam has a very successful business which is worth a lot of money .Let him sell that to get the cash
for his dream and if it go wrong it's only his dream that goes up in smoke and NOT
the Tax payers of Hull if he doesn't like it not getting his hands on the KC Stadium.
He can build his own Stadium with his own Assets .Don't get fooled by people
offering false gifts .

I think we would all love Hull to have a genuine 150m investment, olympic facilites etc etc etc. Noone would argue with this. If Allam had the right plans I would support them. Clearly though he wants something for nothing, unless he can counteract that statement. Allam will destroy the city in a sporting sense IMO as he really doesn't have a clue. City fans at work were really for this originally, and rightly so, but his lunatic ramblings have brought common sense to them.

Oh really! You turn up, out of the blue, on a rugby forum, wearing your Tiggers shirt and assert that the Hull City Council should gift ownership of the KC stadium to the owners of Hull City Football Club?


Now, that is a request I would only expect from a person with the mental orientation that Standee suggested you possess.

Come back when you find where I assert that the Council should gift ownership to anyone at all.

No they weren't and it wouldn't make any difference.



Your solution is a posibility and certainly worth a discussion, if only someone hadn't locked a door that needed to be opened.

If gifting is on the agenda, then yes it could be the crux, as it isn't....

As it stands, he's not asking the Council to give him something. He's proposed a joint venture, one possible option within it has a suggestion for how the Council could pay for its share. Another would be for the Allams to buy the stadium complex (at what seems an inflated price) and the council to use that money to buy a share.

If you went to the Council with a £150 million scheme, I'd expect them to listen and to weigh up the options, but if you think these sort of schemes start of with anything other than broad generic values based on previous builds, there's little wonder you're confused.

As for being diligent, not even listening properly and discussing the options on an area that's going to need funding is far from that.

Has Allam put in an offer to purchase the stadium and land then?

One elected member of the Council has made the unilateral decision that the land's not for sale, which is surprising as his own leader had previously suggested a discussion to hear the options and a referendum. As it stands, no offers of any kind either of gifts or purchases have been made, merely a broad outline of a proposed concept.