wakey have had planning permission for ages so don't get too excited!

My question was asked at the start of the season asking why we use a prop at 13 and not a pivot and he dismissed it then too.

he gave his reason why!!!! just not the answer you wanted personally.

That old giffer annoyed Agar. Jimmy has stepped in to nplacate situation. Really impressed by the smooth proffessionalism of the panels performance.

Didn't he say he thought we'd struggle to get up the pitch without a running 13?

So has the Odsal Superdome!

All that consent does is to add windows and doors to the original application. Fancy forgetting windows and doors!!

yes!!!!!

Did you expect anything else?

His reason was down to injuries mainly, but we all know they are ways we can implement a traditional loose man.
He also said he thinks we would struggle to make it up the pitch, but unless we try things like that we wont know. I think if you are playing a team who plays a traditional loose man then what harm would it do to play one against them?

asking why cunningham wasnt in the squad-i think he gave the reason!!!

What teams play a "traditional" 13.

They're below us in the league so they must be rubbish as we have a rubbish coach who doesn't have any half backs.

He did. I dont agree with him and think thats rubbish.

We use a winger, 2 props and a 2nd row for 4 of the drives per set. Why do we need 3 props?

It does Fitz an injustice to call him a prop IMO. What teams play with a pivot at 13? Wigan don't, Wire don't and Saints don't. The only decent team I can think of is Leeds.

Erm....in defence????

1 point behind, still in the cup, much better attack. Think i know which position i would rather be in.

But the teams you talk about have decent half backs. We are desperate for another pivot, at least if we cant get the 6 and 7 right.

Fitz is a prop. Thats the game he plays. He's played prop, 2nd row and 13 for Oz. He plays down the middle channel as a 3rd prop for us, exactly the same role as Radford when he plays there. (although 100x better)

He did say getting up the field... meaning ball in hand.

he also said it weakens the defence.

Didnt hear that bit.



He should teach his players how to defend then!!

And? You've had planning permission for the North Stand redevelopment for a whole lot longer than that.

Quote ="Big Dave T"But the teams you talk about have decent half backs. We are desperate for another pivot, at least if we cant get the 6 and 7 right. Fitz is a prop. Thats the game he plays. He's played prop, 2nd row and 13 for Oz. He plays down the middle channel as a 3rd prop for us, exactly the same role as Radford when he plays there. (although 100x better)'" So who would you play at 13? Washbrook? So you'd leave Hame out I'm guessing? (e.g. Fitz to 2nd row, manu to bench?) What about Bradford? They have no decent half backs and still play a battering ram at 13. Ask Huddersfield fans how they feel about having so many pivots in there team... viewtopic.php?f=26&t=461874

Quote ="Big Dave T"But the teams you talk about have decent half backs. We are desperate for another pivot, at least if we cant get the 6 and 7 right. Fitz is a prop. Thats the game he plays. He's played prop, 2nd row and 13 for Oz. He plays down the middle channel as a 3rd prop for us, exactly the same role as Radford when he plays there. (although 100x better)'" So who would you play at 13? Washbrook? So you'd leave Hame out I'm guessing? (e.g. Fitz to 2nd row, manu to bench?) What about Bradford? They have no decent half backs and still play a battering ram at 13. Ask Huddersfield fans how they feel about having so many pivots in there team... viewtopic.php?f=26&t=461874

The game has moved on. Who do Australia or Queensland play at LF?

The point Agar is making is correct and sensible. You can't survive in the modern game with more than 2 half back type players on the field, in defence or going forward. Very few players can mix the physical needs with the ball playing bit. Greg Bird is one that springs to mind but he's still more a runner/off-loader than a pivot.

The issue for us is not LF, it is having a coherent pair of proper half backs.

ogre says he will be back for quins