Is there a way of asking the B&W association to attend and discuss "merging"

..into one group and see where that takes us?

Correct, so there are 2 spaces available HISA & Black and White Association on the FC voices table.

When i relinquished my HISA role on the FC voices committee i did on the understanding that the place would be kept vacant for the future.

Ian.

if no one objects i would like to Chair the meeting to start as i need to combine it as an HISA AGM (and if HISA is to be no more an official way of closing them.)

I will the happily step aside if needs be

8pm start till 10??

I am glad you volunteered



I was kinda hoping you would, HISA is still in existence and could continue.

We will need some one to take notes, no not with my hands I write worse then a doctor



We do need an agenda

1) HISA officials to oversee the meeting under there rules.....
a statement of HISA';s current rules status, membership, and accounts would be handy.

proposed
2) That this meeting wishes to continue/ reform a Hull FC ISA

3) What are to be the aims and mission for the group.

4) MEMBERSHIP , rates etc

40 Election of officers /comittee or steering group as required

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nudge

Correct to a point! That point being that they are currently two organisations, so there are two places however if they were to amalgamate into one Independant supporters organisation then there would only be one place as the constitution of FC Voices states,

" (ii) Member organisations will decide their own representatives. One representative only per organisation will be allowed at any meeting".

As for you making sure the place was kept vacant that is also true but to a certain extent irrelevant because the same constitution states that there is always a place at the table for a representative of any bona fide supporters organisation.

What if they dont merge but create a working partnership



Maybe time to relook at the consitiution too, becuase surely if the fans organisations become strongerm there will be less need for individuals on the FC voices commitee

Can't make the meeting due to work commitments but reading Hutchies sig, I think a supporters trust is the way forward we need to work with the club not against it.

Why?

Because he doesnt like Fc Voices?

What about me? Would I have to be on the Committee of a new group to make sure the disabled fans are represented?(Not that I think it will come to it anyway

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proportional representation or whatever they call it



If a fans group could get over 2000 members, that would represent approx 1/6th of the average support would it not, so surely deserves 2 places of the 12 or so on FC voices.

Id also question why they need 9 (hope ive counted right) non representative persons on it. Not counted Rich as i know he represents out of town fans

FC Voices isn't a representative body, so none of that is relevant.

Exactly the constitution is not for a member body it is for a group of fans that try their best to help other fans get the most out of supporting their club. As such proportional representation does not come into it because there are no members to judge a proportion of!! Its fine it works.

One representative per organisation is as the group is constituted and unless the members feel that has become obsolete then it stays as it is, simply because its fine and it works.

The fact that when HISA used their place on the group, more often than not no one turned up anyway!

As an asside I would think that an independant supporters group would need at least twice that number of members to be taken seriously by the club, particulally if the leaders were, before it had even been formed, overly concerned about the amount of power and representation they had on other fans organisations!

There are far bigger fish to fry than that, and already it would appear that you are getting bogged down in power issues! Perhaps, just perhaps the new ISA may just need the support of FC Voices and all the other fans organisations in the first instance without allianating them before they even get started!

Good points Wilf.

I see no reason whatsoever why FC voices should change if the ISA becomes succesful as they would perform different functions IMO. I also see no reason why any fans group would need more than 1 seat on FC voices? Its not like they vote on anything AFAIK so more than one seat wouldn't give any sort of advantage anyway.

If this becomes some sort of power struggle or witch hunt I wont be involved.

Maybe if the goal posts never moved i would have attended more

You just got a mention on Humberside.

What did it say?

just advertised it

thanks gwilym

Excellent

Mentioned fans unrest, said it was fans meeting up, the name 'Karl Hutchinson' (Sorry if any of that's spelled incorrectly) was mentioned a few times, along with his email address and mobile phone number. I wasn't paying much attention, though.

you could of just said TOSS POT

As was the main reason I resigned my position within HISA and to be honest, reading through this topic/posts, I can see the same problems just repeating themselves over again as before.

The I in ISA = Independant and will be seen by the club as a threat, just as before, it'll need a strong Leader and Committee! Who???