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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Completely agree. Fluency and width are definitely lacking at the moment. Frustrating as we have some rally good attacking elements in our side - Carlos' footwork, Shaul's pace, Griffin's physicality, Connor's unpredictability - but only really exploit Talanoa's dominance in the air regularly to our advantage.'"
from what I saw at Saints, we throw the ball wide too quickly, too often and then try the kick, we don't dominate the middle like we did last season. We miss Ellis, badly, our young props just aren't really ready, they are capable but not "battle hardened". i know Watts had to go, but we are lacking in the forwards. If (when) Kelly leaves next year we are in trouble...
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| Quote ="PCollinson1990"Quote ="Mrs Barista"Completely agree. Fluency and width are definitely lacking at the moment. Frustrating as we have some rally good attacking elements in our side - Carlos' footwork, Shaul's pace, Griffin's physicality, Connor's unpredictability - but only really exploit Talanoa's dominance in the air regularly to our advantage.'"
from what I saw at Saints, we throw the ball wide too often and then try the kick, we don't dominate the middle like we did last season. We miss Ellis, badly, our young props just aren't really ready, they are capable but not "battle hardened". i know Watts had to go, but we are lacking in the forwards. If (when) Kelly leaves next year we are in trouble...'"
We do get it wide at times but tend to make a mess of it as its laboured and lacking in real attacking thrust as it tends to go along the line rather than forward with runners/support play. In the opposition 20 we are just so static with very little cut and thrust to bend the defence or break the line as we are just too easy to defend against apart from a last hope kick from Sneyd or but of maverick play from Kelly. I've not seen us utilise any of the forwards to steam onto a ball near the line much at all this season for one.
We have been unable to dominate the middle so far as during the opening rounds we have lost Taylor, Paea, Manu, Green, Bowden and thats without Watts slow stuttering start before his red then move to Cas. So in fairness to the team its difficult when you lose these players and do not have them all on the field fully fit at the same time which so far we have struggled to do on a regular basis. Hopefully now they are coming back from the injuries this will not be a problem.
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| Thank goodness we have Rovers at the Millenium Game - that win plus Widnes away should ensure top 8
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| Quote ="Chris71"We do get it wide at times but tend to make a mess of it as its laboured and lacking in real attacking thrust as it tends to go along the line rather than forward with runners/support play. In the opposition 20 we are just so static with very little cut and thrust to bend the defence or break the line as we are just too easy to defend against apart from a last hope kick from Sneyd or but of maverick play from Kelly. I've not seen us utilise any of the forwards to steam onto a ball near the line much at all this season for one.
We have been unable to dominate the middle so far as during the opening rounds we have lost Taylor, Paea, Manu, Green, Bowden and thats without Watts slow stuttering start before his red then move to Cas. So in fairness to the team its difficult when you lose these players and do not have them all on the field fully fit at the same time which so far we have struggled to do on a regular basis. Hopefully now they are coming back from the injuries this will not be a problem.'"
Oh I'm not blaming the team, just saying how it is. You are right, we pass often without drawing a man, we have lost key players and there is nothing anyone can so about that.
We struggle in the 20, have done for a few seasons, that's why Kelly leaving would be a real problem.
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| Quote ="Chris71"We do get it wide at times but tend to make a mess of it as its laboured and lacking in real attacking thrust as it tends to go along the line rather than forward with runners/support play. In the opposition 20 we are just so static with very little cut and thrust to bend the defence or break the line as we are just too easy to defend against apart from a last hope kick from Sneyd or but of maverick play from Kelly. I've not seen us utilise any of the forwards to steam onto a ball near the line much at all this season for one.
We have been unable to dominate the middle so far as during the opening rounds we have lost Taylor, Paea, Manu, Green, Bowden and thats without Watts slow stuttering start before his red then move to Cas. So in fairness to the team its difficult when you lose these players and do not have them all on the field fully fit at the same time which so far we have struggled to do on a regular basis. Hopefully now they are coming back from the injuries this will not be a problem.'"
Agree. On the forwards point we miss the lines of Ellis and Watts. Taylor's carried the pack for the last few rounds IMO but his style is all grit and determination, which was why Watts was such a good complement to his style. I'd like to see Bowden do more of this - hopefully when Manu gets back things will improve. The point about looking static in the 20 is spot on. Need more bodies in motion to pull the defence out of line. I love Kelly but sometimes I think the team are uncertain as to when he's going to do something orthodox or try something outlandish - this brings some fabulous tries but also some inertia when he goes for something simple.
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| Quote ="PCollinson1990"Oh I'm not blaming the team, just saying how it is. You are right, we pass often without drawing a man, we have lost key players and there is nothing anyone can so about that.
We struggle in the 20, have done for a few seasons, that's why Kelly leaving would be a real problem.'"
Didn't say you had blamed them .
Its an area we have struggled with for more than a few seasons too in fact probably since the mid 2000's. I do think an attack (rather than an offensive one ) coach from outside the club would help us massively and do think the club realised by trying to bring Hodgson in but then nothing since.
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| Widnes are even money with 12 start - easy money ?
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| Quote ="Chris71"Didn't say you had blamed them
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Its an area we have struggled with for more than a few seasons too in fact probably since the mid 2000's. I do think an attack (rather than an offensive one
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but we have won two Challenge Cups, I just think we relied too mich on oir forwarcs in the past and we have lost quite a few of them and put the faith in younger players who, quite honestly, aren't ready.
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"Widnes are even money with 12 start - easy money ?'"
I think that depends if mini and Manu are playing?
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| A must win if we are to keep up with the top 4
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| Quote ="PCollinson1990"but we have won two Challenge Cups, I just think we relied too mich on oir forwarcs in the past and we have lost quite a few of them and put the faith in younger players who, quite honestly, aren't ready.'"
Think we have relied on the ability of our forwards to an extent as it was a very potent threat so why wouldn't we? However the downside is that it has made us a bit one dimensional. Also I think other teams have countered the threat by slowing us down and worked out ways to stifle. We just have to evolve our attacking options and believe the addition of an attack minded coach would help. It's noticeable that since RH went to Donny we don't look as good going forward.
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| Quote ="Mr Incredihull"I think that depends if mini and Manu are playing?'"
ER what ??? Rovers are totally poop and easily beat Widnes. Widnes have 9 regulars missing.
Surely it's how many we win by !!!!!!!
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| Quote ="Chris71"Think we have relied on the ability of our forwards to an extent as it was a very potent threat so why wouldn't we? However the downside is that it has made us a bit one dimensional. Also I think other teams have countered the threat by slowing us down and worked out ways to stifle. We just have to evolve our attacking options and believe the addition of an attack minded coach would help. [uIt's noticeable that since RH went to Donny we don't look as good going forward.[/u'"
He seems to be doing well. Possibly the club see him as the long term successor to Radford. On the pitch I think we could do with an experienced tactical head at 13; Sinfield and O'Loughlin have been absolutely integral to sustained success at their respective clubs.
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| Quote ="Tinkerman23"Haha it shouldn't , but that did make me chuckle, I think it's the use of ring piece ha'"
I laughed at knockers too
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| Squad:
1. Jamie Shaul
2. Bureta Faraimo
3. Carlos Tuimavave
4. Josh Griffin
5. Fetuli Talanoa
6. Albert Kelly
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8. Scott Taylor
9. Danny Houghton
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14. Jake Connor
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| No Mini or Manu - we’re all doomed
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| Quote ="ccs"Squad:
1. Jamie Shaul
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3. Carlos Tuimavave
4. Josh Griffin
5. Fetuli Talanoa
6. Albert Kelly
7. Marc Sneyd
8. Scott Taylor
9. Danny Houghton
13. Josh Bowden
14. Jake Connor
15. Chris Green
17. Danny Washbrook
22. Jez Litten
23. Mickey Paea
24. Jack Logan
26. Jordan Lane
27. Jack Downs
29. Masi Matongo'"
Got be the game to play Griffin in the backrow.
Pointless having Connor on the bench with so many forwards out.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Got be the game to play Griffin in the backrow.
Pointless having Connor on the bench with so many forwards out.'"
Makes sense
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| I'd go for;
1. Shaul
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6. Kelly
7. Sneyd
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9. Houghton
10 Paea
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14.Litten
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16.Matongo
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Still good enough to win.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Got be the game to play Griffin in the backrow.
Pointless having Connor on the bench with so many forwards out.'"
I wouldn't be surprised if Griffin doesn't make it. Just based on what was said last week.
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| ... no Abdull either??
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| Quote ="Marcus's Bicycle"I'd go for;
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4. tuimavave
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8. Taylor
9. Houghton
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Still good enough to win.'"
It is but also very beatable.
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| Quote ="ccs"... no Abdull either??'"
Wonder if he's injured or dropped.
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| Kendall in the middle and Child upstairs, we might be looking at a 3 hour game.
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| I was at the Hull KR v Widnes game on Saturday and Widnes were very unlucky with injuries, so much so they played the final 26 minutes with no interchanges and were dead on their feet. That being said, they never gave in and I was impressed with what I saw, especially Houston who always makes big yards and Azza is still great going forward. This is a must win game for us though if we want to keep the top 4 in sight.
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