agree.

That's what he was judged on by his employers.

Funny what you say about the players.People say we only improved due to the players which came in, nothing to do with Agar. Yet when these players make mistakes and fans try to blame them it's Agar who has to take responsibility for them.

Weird!

The lads with the banner are the disgrace not O'Meley, fair enough expressing an opinion about something or someone but not like that, way out of order, especially from no marks like that.

Not weird at all, that's how it works when you're the Head Coach of an elite sports team.

Does anyone on this forum actually remember that his appointment was seen as a positive step. After all it was his influence that put us on a run to the grand final. Well that's what everyone said at the time. I worried that we will force him out only to have another coach completely screw up the signings like sharp did after kear

Nah that's just fans being one eyed. When we win it's the players and when we lose it's the coach.

They didn't, everyone said it was Swain!

So on that basis you think that the squad we had in 2009 really was the 12th worst in the league?

Reaction was actually pretty mixed. I wasn't in favour of the decision but was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I can't honestly remember but it's irrelevant. If we win the coach has to take credit then the same when we lose. Anything else is double standards.

If you say you want a new coach, and that you do not think he is the man, then you have judged him now.

i believe agar is ultimately resposible for performances since he is the one who picks the team and interchanges, so he is the one playing class players out of position such as today playing manu and tickle in the prop area and also not using your whole bench with keeping washy sat on the sidelines for 80 mins. Its not the first time he plays people out of their best position such as berrigan throughout his hull career, and keeping hall on the bench all game. Is there any other super league side that uses 16 out of their available 17 players, or is this a special agar trick?

It's not irrelevant or double standards at all, it's being able to see the shades of gray rather than pretending everything is black and white.

Definitely.
Starting front row of Thackeray, Lee and King. Backed up with Thorman at 7 Radford at 13 and Skinny Byrne at full back.

OK so I'm generalizing. But my point is that were too quick to jump on the coach. Has anyone actually thought that the lack of experience in Webster and last may be adding to agar problems.if we are to keep agar then we need an old head next to him

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I don't think he is the man to take us forward BUT he has earned the right to prove me wrong due to last seasons finish. As far as this season goes I will judge his progress from last season 8-10 games in and not after 3.

I know you like to disagree with me on most things and I enjoy the debate too, but that takes the

He's had 3 years and in that time he's had Jon Sharp and Dennis Moore as his assistants.

IMO Agar is an assistant and not a head coach.

Rubbish.

If it's Agar's fault when we lose then it's his fault when we win. You have already said he is responsible for the players actions.

I'm still trying to think of a worse front row...ever, but I'm struggling

I understand your argument in the sense that he has to be given some credit when we win since he gets so much criticism the rest of the time, but in terms of a cause-effect relationship you know as well as I do it's not as simple as that.

No it's not because it does not suit the fans argument to give Agar any type of credit.

Not really Paul. Perhaps that is what you want to imagine, as it helps your cause.

There have been a few games that we have won, and fans have still pointed out Agars failings. Then there have been games we have lost, and fans have blamed just the players. There has also been enough games when both players and coach have been slated or praised.