https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.york ... 7327%3famp Honest words from the legend that is Gaz Ellis. Sad he feels he’s not influencing games any more.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.york ... 7327%3famp Honest words from the legend that is Gaz Ellis. Sad he feels he’s not influencing games any more.

I came on here to give a detailed breakdown of how I saw the game, but most has already been said. We seemed to be highlighting the 6 again rule as being something we can really take advantage of, but when Shaul has come back looking as unfit as he does, and evidently losing a yard of pace, then we will not be able to take advantage of it. Noticeably as well, when there is a quick play the ball, defences are compacting behind the ruck to combat the scoots from acting half. The teams that will benefit from this, will be the ones who see the defence compacting and actually spread the ball at speed to the edges, they will be the ones that will benefit. We, sadly, cannot do this at all.

Reading Gaz Ellis on our soft underbelly, and the in between the lines of needing to be a right hard individual to even play our game, one incident springs to mind in yesterday’s game when “Lannon ” I think, smashed Fonua with an illegal and deliberate shoulder charge, which really should of been dealt with by the officials, I can think of other lesser thought of Hull teams who would have made sure this particular player got his pay back, one way or another, yet nothing happened, nothing, and subsequently said player continued to do what he wanted during the match. Little thing maybe, but shows this team, on that and other performances are not together, there is still something not right in our group, but if Last or AP doesn’t have the answer then I’m buxxered if I do.

Inspirational coach needed, I’ve changed tack big style, this promotion from within is a mistake as early as it is.

Can people remember Sean McRae calling out the attitude of the club years ago?
Think he even called it a “cancer” at the club.

This attitude seems to be a prevailing, running theme. If being in and around Gaz Ellis every day doesn’t inspire you, you may as well give up.

Last year's play the ball clamp down appears to have been rescinded, it certainly speeds up the play the ball when players walk over the ball with absolutely no backward movement of the foot to touch the ball. Makes life so much easier for the acting half back.

The fact we have to keep rolling Gaz Ellis out in the side in the hope that he inspires players around him is pretty pathetic really, and sums up the attitude and mentality of our current captain, vice captain and other members in the senior group

Your right “ccs” but when Lolly runs through Jones 10 yards out, it makes you wonder wtf is happening to us.

The more I dwell on yesterday, the more I think Last should have been out the door right behind Radford. Purtill and Ellis should have been the interim leadership.

Carlos was the only player who looked at all bothered about playing some rugby for 80 minutes. Shaul has had one good game since 2016 (Leeds Rd 1) and has gone backwards by miles, his attitude absolutely stinks which will happen when the coach is your best mate. I hope to god him and Houghton are off to the championship as neither would get into any other SL side on this season. With relegation off the table, anyone OOC should be sent on gardening leave to try and cut the rot IMO.

Imagine it when Hull announce extensions for Houghton and Shaul

His passion is not in doubt but his decision making has proved to be flawed. He is solely responsible for the situation he finds himself in. Bradford Bulls rugby was obsolete well before Civid-19 became an issue as was recognised by many of your supporters.

Thirty-eight missed tackles yesterday
Fonua 5 (also three errors)
Kelly 4
Sneyd 4
Houghton 4 (63 completed)
Sao 4

Hats off to Carlos though
Metres 181
Carries 14
Tackles busts 5
Clean breaks 2
Runs from dummy half 2
Try assist 1
Tackles 11 (just one missed)

Pretty good in a team that was totally outplayed.

Only just had chance to watch it, we stunk the place out.
No idea, no pride in the jersey.
Last has had enough time to change things even if by a small amount, but he hasn't, enough time to motivate the players to get back to match mentality but that hasn't happened.
IMO 6 seasons of Radford drummed into him as an assistant was never going to disappear, honestly I don't blame Last, he's never been head coach material or has been happy to just be an assistant which indicates same thing, he's a stop gap in order to keep players going through the training, he has to say the right things even if he doesn't have the ability to actually change/motivate players to be better. I never had any illusions that things would change but this performance was just as pathetic as other Radford coached wallopings. Pearson should have used the postponement of the season to rethink and simply get shot of Last at the same time

If we continue to play like we did yesterday or don't improve much/get results then Pearson is in an even worse position than ever before. Lots of players on big contracts not performing as we expect, little desire from too many players, a youngster pool that doesn't seem to be firing on all cylinders, and honestly hasn't for some while.
This means fans less likely to want to spend money on a membership (which could also be for other non playing reasons), less value for sponsors going forward so that might well also be affected.

As others have said, we need a clear out, a coach with firm ideas that doesn't involve bish bang wallop as our primary mode of winning games, from that not having a plan B is something that is the wrong way of thinking. An effective coach understands that you exploit all aspects of your squad that means you're far more rounded in terms of attack and defence.
Basically someone who understands the value of basic rugby league football skills both in attack and defence, someone who can actually manage players as a manager, isn't afraid to make the tough decisions without needing to use blunt force as the only way to attempt to modify things

I don't know how much Pearson has got left in him to want to invest money in the club, so much good work has been undone and squandered, Pearson, our club is IMO behind where we were when Gentle took over on the basis of what I watched and what went before

Tough times for fans

That's very impressive from Carlos, he's performed very consistently and rarely has an off day, he's 7th in the Tackle bust count and Griffin is 2nd.

Just thankful we weren't playing St Helens yesterday. Salford were good but the thought of Grace and Makinson up against our wingers... Saints could easily have put 70 or 80 on us.

We tend to turn up against better opposition though, it's running out expecting to win that ruins us.

No disciplinary issues for us this week thankfully, just Andre Savelio cautioned for raising a knee.

Peter Mata’utia has been given a two match penalty notice for a dangerous lift and will miss both games against us, Super League next week and the Cup the week after.

What about the second half?

I think we'd get at least some value out of the rest of his contract if he was used as an impact player from the bench - and NOT on the wing.

The fact he was let-go after a year back in Australia says it all to me.

What an odd statement...we weren't playing Saints and thus there is absolutely zero logic in the above statement.

"I am just glad that we weren't playing the Brazil 1970 World Cup team in Mexico City at football..." makes about as much sense.

Even tougher times for A. P.
I saw the look on his face and it was thunder. He said recently that money is tight so no coach coming in. How long he’ll want to keep bank rolling us is anyone’s guess but if he could I reckon he’d sell up.
Having said that he does seem to be a tad naive when it comes to rugby, had his small and curlies twisted well and truly by McRae then Radford, so who told him Last would be any different

I understand that it's disappointing but we have to bear in mind that this was Last's first ever game as a head coach.
He's going to take time to get used to the role and make the adjustments he's been talking about in the press.
AP has indicated he's got until at least the end of the season so I think we owe him a duty to get behind him and not write him off before he's had a fair crack of the whip.
Hopefully things will pick up over the next week or two and at the end of the season he will be able to clear out a few, that TBF should have gone a while ago, and really make it his team.

it's not an odd statement, Saints are arguably a better team than Salford, there's a high likelihood we would have unravelled even earlier against a better team and shipped even more points. Not always going to happen as we know, each game is different, but allowing for the fact we have been bang average for some period and based on that performance and what Saints have done after the season restart then it's a perfectly logical assumption we would have had more points put against us!

Your Brasil analogy to denounce the previous poster has zero logic in it, unlike the previous posters, soccer is a different sport and a team that are either in their late 70s/early 80s or have passed away, utterly dumb comparison!

It's all he does. He never raises any points or discusses issues, he just trolls posters.

Quote ="Lang Park"I understand that it's disappointing but we have to bear in mind that this was Last's first ever game as a head coach. He's going to take time to get used to the role and make the adjustments he's been talking about in the press. AP has indicated he's got until at least the end of the season so I think we owe him a duty to get behind him and not write him off before he's had a fair crack of the whip. Hopefully things will pick up over the next week or two and at the end of the season he will be able to clear out a few, that TBF should have gone a while ago, and really make it his team.'" We OWE Last absolutely nothing, it's this out of date faux loyalty that makes us less effective and sticking to players/staff that will continue to mean we don't get the right staff on/off the field and thus not getting results. Last has been at the club for over a decade in a coaching capacity, the lead youth team coach and assistant at a top tier club for years, he's apparently being stricter with the players https://www.totalrl.com/hull-players-fa ... ng-regime/ with apparent approval from the captain and others, he's had plenty of experience in a coaching capacity so excuses on the basis its his 'first game as head coach' , it simply doesn't wash! From TRL The interim coach revealed last week that he had implemented a system of fines to ensure the Black and Whites’ playing squad were being held accountable for their actions on a daily basis. Houghton, who admitted to falling foul of the system already, said it had helped instil a different environment within the camp. “That was one of the biggest things that needed to change,” Houghton said. “I think everyone’s application and how they’re going about things is top-drawer at the moment. “We’re only in our second week of training, so that’s going to be the test, when boys start getting tired and fatigued later in the year; that’s when the standards need to be kept high and the senior boys need to drive those standards and make sure we don’t slip, because we’ve tended to slip too often in previous years. “It’s a big thing moving forward for this group to get to the next level and competing where we were.” When asked to elaborate on punishable offences, team-mate Josh Griffin butted in and said: “Breathing!” “Yeah, you’re not allowed to breathe in camp so that’s a big problem for all the boys,” Houghton joked. “But no, just tightening things up really, not leaving things lying about, not being late for appointments, being on time for training, all those small things. “We’re just trying to tighten all those little areas to make us more accountable for what we do on a daily basis, rather than letting small things that don’t count too much slip in, which in the past has maybe had an effect on the field. “It’s been good and the boys have bought into the changes.”

Quote ="Lang Park"I understand that it's disappointing but we have to bear in mind that this was Last's first ever game as a head coach. He's going to take time to get used to the role and make the adjustments he's been talking about in the press. AP has indicated he's got until at least the end of the season so I think we owe him a duty to get behind him and not write him off before he's had a fair crack of the whip. Hopefully things will pick up over the next week or two and at the end of the season he will be able to clear out a few, that TBF should have gone a while ago, and really make it his team.'" We OWE Last absolutely nothing, it's this out of date faux loyalty that makes us less effective and sticking to players/staff that will continue to mean we don't get the right staff on/off the field and thus not getting results. Last has been at the club for over a decade in a coaching capacity, the lead youth team coach and assistant at a top tier club for years, he's apparently being stricter with the players https://www.totalrl.com/hull-players-fa ... ng-regime/ with apparent approval from the captain and others, he's had plenty of experience in a coaching capacity so excuses on the basis its his 'first game as head coach' , it simply doesn't wash! From TRL The interim coach revealed last week that he had implemented a system of fines to ensure the Black and Whites’ playing squad were being held accountable for their actions on a daily basis. Houghton, who admitted to falling foul of the system already, said it had helped instil a different environment within the camp. “That was one of the biggest things that needed to change,” Houghton said. “I think everyone’s application and how they’re going about things is top-drawer at the moment. “We’re only in our second week of training, so that’s going to be the test, when boys start getting tired and fatigued later in the year; that’s when the standards need to be kept high and the senior boys need to drive those standards and make sure we don’t slip, because we’ve tended to slip too often in previous years. “It’s a big thing moving forward for this group to get to the next level and competing where we were.” When asked to elaborate on punishable offences, team-mate Josh Griffin butted in and said: “Breathing!” “Yeah, you’re not allowed to breathe in camp so that’s a big problem for all the boys,” Houghton joked. “But no, just tightening things up really, not leaving things lying about, not being late for appointments, being on time for training, all those small things. “We’re just trying to tighten all those little areas to make us more accountable for what we do on a daily basis, rather than letting small things that don’t count too much slip in, which in the past has maybe had an effect on the field. “It’s been good and the boys have bought into the changes.”

The more that comes out, reading between the lines it looks like Radford was too cosy with some members of the first team squad.
I don’t see this fine thing as a positive. I find it depressing that’s it’s needed at all.
I think the attitude at the club is actually worse than I thought it was. I thought naively that changing the coach would bring a new direction. The problems seem entrenched, and have been allowed to become part of the culture of the club.