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| Best of luck Feka. Been solid for us whenever he's on the pitch and I am sure you will go down well at Doncaster.
Does anyone have a list of our known in's and out's for next season?
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| Quote ="weighman"Feka signed for Doncaster on a 2 year deal .
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Will he still be FC communty thingy or will that go to Yeamo?
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| ..yes, Feka is now our full time Player Welfare Manager.
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| Quote ="Armavinit"Will he still be FC communty thingy or will that go to Yeamo?'"
Feka's still employed by the club as Player Welfare Officer. Isn't Yeamo joining the coaching staff?
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| Quote ="Doc Brown"Feka's still employed by the club as Player Welfare Officer. Isn't Yeamo joining the coaching staff?'"
Mmmmm, thought Rev. Tony Cotson was wlefare, perhaps just spiritual.
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| Quote ="Doc Brown"Feka's still employed by the club as Player Welfare Officer. Isn't Yeamo joining the coaching staff?'"
Was said last night that Yeamo will be involved in conditioning and making Radders cups of tea
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| Quote ="Armavinit"Mmmmm, thought Rev. Tony Cotson was wlefare, perhaps just spiritual.'"
As I understand it Tony is still heavily involved with the Club and does a brilliant job as Club chaplain however he's also a full time Vicar with a big parish. Although he did the welfare job for a while its a massive task and something that the Club feel is very important going forward so Feke will now be the full time Welfare Officer whilst playing part time for Donny.
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| Quote ="Doc Brown"In some ways our lack of an injury crisis this season proved to be a curse. I think that because his strongest 17 was available most weeks that Radders opted to play that 17. Which is understandable as it was very tight at the top of the table and fielding our strongest team whenever possible gave us our best chance of success.
Unfortunately that meant we had a few players out of energy by the end of the season as we perhaps didn't make as good a use of the squad and the u23's as we could of. Which also impacted some of our younger players as they didn't get the run outs they were maybe expecting to aid their development and gain them some experience.
Hopefully fortune will favour us again next year regarding injuries but we'll also have the chance (and take it) to rotate.'"
These type of posts just get funnier. So, our lack of injuries proved to be a curse. Utter codswallop on 2 fairly obvious points.
1. Our most successful season for decades coincides with our most injury free season since we got into Super League...
2. See above
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| Quote ="spegs"These type of posts just get funnier. So, our lack of injuries proved to be a curse. Utter codswallop on 2 fairly obvious points.
1. Our most successful season for decades coincides with our most injury free season since we got into Super League...
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You are entitled to your opinion Spegs as I am entitled to mine. I've already tried to explain said post better and won't be doing so again. And I certainly won't be making fun of anyone who has a different opinion to me and dismissing their opinions as "utter codswallop".
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| Quote ="Tinkerman23"Agree , blaming our failures on not having injuries is ridiculous'"
Agree. A lot of people are overthinking this. There was a fag paper to choose between the three teams who ended up with silverware at the end of the season. All three trophies could have easily been shared differently or in fact won by a single team. A missed tackle, dropped ball, refs call or in fact a made tackle were all factors...not Hulls lack of injuries.
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| And some people are (mis)reading the comment. It was about the younger players not getting the game time they would have maybe got in previous seasons. Not an analysis or critique of the first team.
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| Quote ="Doc Brown"And some people are (mis)reading the comment. It was about the younger players not getting the game time they would have maybe got in previous seasons. Not an analysis or critique of the first team.'"
Might be worth popping into the Delorean and changing your original post...
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| Quote ="spegs"Quote ="Tinkerman23"Agree , blaming our failures on not having injuries is ridiculous'"
Agree. A lot of people are overthinking this. There was a fag paper to choose between the three teams who ended up with silverware at the end of the season. All three trophies could have easily been shared differently or in fact won by a single team. A missed tackle, dropped ball, refs call or in fact a made tackle were all factors...not Hulls lack of injuries.'"
To be honest I get what Doc Brown and others have said about the lack of injuries or the fact we kept our best 17 going all season as you look at Taylor in the last few games of the season he definitely looked jaded and wasn't making the metres he had been. The flip side of that is would we have achieved as much had Radford rotated the squad? Who knows. Then there is the what I assume would have been the goal set of a CC win and top 4 place. This would have been what was focused on an then as the season unfolded the goals will have shifted slightly.
I don't think we can underestimate the impact of actually winning the CC on the team afterwards and this I think was a factor also. I do think had we lost the CC Final we would have won the LLS &/or the GF as the drive and desire would have burnt even more fromthe sting of losing the CC.
Thats said, however we all look at it, 2016 eclipsed our wildest dreams and was in the cold light of day the best season we have had in the SL era. The disppointed that is around is natural as we were so close to more. The big ask now is to back this season up in 2017 and go one better.
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| Quote ="spegs"Might be worth popping into the Delorean and changing your original post...'"
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| Ref the resting/rotation, there was only taylor in the forwards who didn't miss games through being injured or dropped/rested. The fall off at the season's end was 90% down to winning at wembley
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| Having a fit first 17 for most of the season changes your mental approach, there was also a heck of a lot of pressure on LR to perform this year.
Due to that even though rotating players more than he did could have actually benefitted us MORE during the regular 23 games and definitely in the S8s without having an effect on the CC run he didn't, he couldn't risk it in his eyes.
Those back up squad players are able to give more than a fatigued first 13/17 player, this was apparent a few times in certain games BEFORE the S8s There was also a lack of actual minutes for some of those even when they were selected, especially the forwards which is were we were effected most in the final third of the season.
This is inexerience combined with fear factor, fear because if you lose, it's because you rested too many, there is no sure fire way of knowing, however the end result showed that the forwards were very fatigued and a once dominant pack tailed off (by comparison to our earlier performances) quite considerably.
Trying to say it was all down to Wembley is really not accurate, it will have had an effect, it's an extra game, it's the celebration afterwards, however Warrington played vastly better in the 8s than we did and come the decider even without some of their better players we were run ragged. If having a few shandies was that big a difference maybe the coach should be saying no celebrations until after season end, then get blotto'd.
Now that LR has a win in the bank there is a huge amount less pressure on him so maybe he will trust more to the youth and balance things out for next season. By his own words he must realise that continually playing your best 13/17 players all the time isn't always the best solution to get the best end results.
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Now that LR has a win in the bank there is a huge amount less pressure on him so maybe he will trust more to the youth and balance things out for next season. By his own words he must realise that continually playing your best 13/17 players all the time isn't always the best solution to get the best end results.'"
Indeed. A few on here advocating best 17 week in week out regardless, ultimately that may have cost us. And the player most in need of a break is our only England player also.
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| Up the Cream are reporting that Michaels has now signed his new contract so hopefully an official announcement on that from the club soon.
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| Used to make me laugh when people on here say always play your best players barring injury. They can't have realised players burn out, until it finally showed towards the end of this season. Players need resting, it's just figuring out when to test certain players to keep the teams momentum going and not shake the team up to much. Need to find the correct balance.
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Having a fit first 17 for most of the season changes your mental approach, there was also a heck of a lot of pressure on LR to perform this year.
Due to that even though rotating players more than he did could have actually benefitted us MORE during the regular 23 games and definitely in the S8s without having an effect on the CC run he didn't, he couldn't risk it in his eyes.
Those back up squad players are able to give more than a fatigued first 13/17 player, this was apparent a few times in certain games BEFORE the S8s There was also a lack of actual minutes for some of those even when they were selected, especially the forwards which is were we were effected most in the final third of the season.
This is inexerience combined with fear factor, fear because if you lose, it's because you rested too many, there is no sure fire way of knowing, however the end result showed that the forwards were very fatigued and a once dominant pack tailed off (by comparison to our earlier performances) quite considerably.
Trying to say it was all down to Wembley is really not accurate, it will have had an effect, it's an extra game, it's the celebration afterwards, however Warrington played vastly better in the 8s than we did and come the decider even without some of their better players we were run ragged. If having a few shandies was that big a difference maybe the coach should be saying no celebrations until after season end, then get blotto'd.
Now that LR has a win in the bank there is a huge amount less pressure on him so maybe he will trust more to the youth and balance things out for next season. By his own words he must realise that continually playing your best 13/17 players all the time isn't always the best solution to get the best end results.'"
Hindsight engineering...
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"Used to make me laugh when people on here say always play your best players barring injury. They can't have realised players burn out, until it finally showed towards the end of this season. Players need resting, it's just figuring out when to test certain players to keep the teams momentum going and not shake the team up to much. Need to find the correct balance.'"
Lets hope for plenty of injuries next season then
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| Quote ="spegs"Hindsight engineering...'"
No it isn't, it's a fairly known situation, we see it every season, players that have had lay-offs come back fresh, forum members state this all the time. You also see the very best players dropping off tackles where before they weren't, Danny H and Ellis in the Warrington match on 7 minutes where they missed the tackle that led to their first try both looked absolutely spent...after 7 minutes!
The drop off was creeping in long before wembley, we scraped a few wins here and there and a fair few players looked very jaded.
it's not hindsight, it's about balancing things and understanding that your 2nd choice/younger squad member is very likely to last the full 80 as opposed to your first choice but knackered/maybe carrying a slight knock player who can't and won't perform as well due to fatigue/potential niggly injury.
That's an aspect that LR just has to manage better for next season, he has to start trusting to the younger players for some games otherwise their development drops right off (which we've seen to an extent already) or they get ed off at not getting a chance and that when they do get a chance they aren't anywhere near match fit or psychologically ready. look at JA in the Widnes match, he actually did ok but it was his first game of the season, he was then thrown in at the back end with not many games under his belt anywhere. For a half that is extremely difficult, for a forward not so much.
Anyway, let's hope we do have some of the youngsters getting more game time and not because we have injuries but are pro-actively managing fatigue with the goal of still wanting to retain the CC/staying near the top of the table but also finishing the end of the season much stronger than we did this year.
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That's not what he was saying. He's saying that rather than play our strongest team every game and suffer the risk of burn out at the end of the season, that we need to rotate better and simply just rest players from time to time. Rotation doesn't have to mean injuries.
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| ... the trick with rotation is not to lose games when you rest key players. Dead easy I'm sure.
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| Quote ="ccs"... the trick with rotation is not to lose games when you rest key players. Dead easy I'm sure.'"
Then the obvious thing to do is choose the matches you think are possibly easier than others. Unless our younger players get match time then they're never going to be ready. I don't often agree with Bumpy but on this he's absolutely spot on.
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