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| Quote ="Marcus's Bicycle"I'd have sympathy for him if he was an experienced NRL player who thought he was not been used in his favoured position.
Lovodua was a part time NSW cup player who didn't make the first grade and would probably have been released by Souths. There was no guarantee he would have been picked up by another club.
It's not for him to dictate what position he prefers to play and it's just staggers me that he refuses to play 9 the position he was brought over here for. He should be proud to play for the club full stop.
He started the season well but his form has fallen away like the rest of the team.
If he doesn't want to play 9 perhaps we should use his quota place to sign a specialist who does.
If we are going to have a utility player it should be Smith. Look at what he has done in his career compared to Lovodua.
I've never been one to criticise individual players but in this instance I feel justified. I've seen a lots of players over the years that are simply not good enough but as long as they've got the right attitude and put in the effort I'm reluctant call them out.
Of course all of this is speculation and if it turns out to be bollox!'"
And therein lies the rub, because I heard he wants to play there full time, but at the moment his opportunities are limited.
Chinese whispers and all that
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| Quote ="fosdyke99"what a surprise,sts recall simm just before we play them.biggest cheats in the game.'"
How is it cheating to ask your own employee to play for you
Clearly Percival is not ready, Grace is out and the young lad hill is out of his depth and possibly injured.
Simms would have been going back this week whether it was Hull FC or Wakefield that Saint are playing.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"How is it cheating to ask your own employee to play for you
Clearly Percival is not ready, Grace is out and the young lad hill is out of his depth and possibly injured.
Simms would have been going back this week whether it was Hull FC or Wakefield that Saint are playing.'"
But why spoil a good conspiracy
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| If Mitch is back, then put Wynne on the wing and we are stronger.
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| Quote ="mwindass"The young kid, Hill?, did his shoulder.'"
Didn't see all the game, but c4 commentators don't mention it 45 times in 20 minutes like they do on sky!
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| Quote ="Dave K."If Mitch is back, then put Wynne on the wing and we are stronger.'"
Dont agree
Simm is much more rounded player than Wynne 10 kilos heavier and 3 inches taller and in fact slightly younger than Wynne
Also think Simm is faster than Wynne.
I agree Simm has made some handling errors with high balls but then again so has McIntosh
Lets see how he goes against us at the weekend .I think you may change your mind
Like to see him at centre
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| The young lad did his shoulder in the 6th minute and wasn't pulled until Faraimo brushed him off for 2 tries near the end.
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| Quote ="bonaire"Dont agree
Simm is much more rounded player than Wynne 10 kilos heavier and 3 inches taller and in fact slightly younger than Wynne
Also think Simm is faster than Wynne.
I agree Simm has made some handling errors with high balls but then again so has McIntosh
Lets see how he goes against us at the weekend .I think you may change your mind
Like to see him at centre'"
I would liked to have seen BH give Simm a run in his natural position of centre whilst with us rather than just play him on the wing as its a position he never looked totally comfortable. He'll have a stormer of a game on Sunday as well knowing our luck.
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| Quote ="bonaire"Dont agree
Simm is much more rounded player than Wynne 10 kilos heavier and 3 inches taller and in fact slightly younger than Wynne
Also think Simm is faster than Wynne.
I agree Simm has made some handling errors with high balls but then again so has McIntosh
Lets see how he goes against us at the weekend .I think you may change your mind
Like to see him at centre'"
Not sure what this is based on, but from what I've seen on both Wynne and Simm play for Hull this season, Wynne is the much better player, Simm has too many mistakes and is poor is defence. His errors aren't just high balls either.
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| Does no one see Wynnes moments of madness, lashes out gets wound up, loses the ball thrashing out, the sin bins, sorry but until he matures he's a liability.
Dont get the people who chose to ignore it
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| Quote ="Rocknrolla69er"Does no one see Wynnes moments of madness, lashes out gets wound up, loses the ball thrashing out, the sin bins, sorry but until he matures he's a liability.
Dont get the people who chose to ignore it'"
Its the same with McIntosh.Simm got all the criticism yet McIntosh makes plenty of errors with high balls and dropping the ball coming out of backfield.
Errors are part of the game but you have to have a balanced view
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| Quote ="Rocknrolla69er"Does no one see Wynnes moments of madness, lashes out gets wound up, loses the ball thrashing out, the sin bins, sorry but until he matures he's a liability.
Dont get the people who chose to ignore it'"
Apart from the Cas game, when else has he had moments of madness?
No one is ignoring it, but weighing up the strengths and weaknesses of both players on based on playing for Hull, Wynne is a much better player.
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| Quote ="bonaire"Its the same with McIntosh.Simm got all the criticism yet McIntosh makes plenty of errors with high balls and dropping the ball coming out of backfield.
Errors are part of the game but you have to have a balanced view'"
There is a big difference, one is signed in at Hull and one is on loan, do we want two wingers who make mistakes and are poor defenders?
I'm not convinced by Mcintosh, but he can finish and create things at time, not sure Simm has impressed enough in attack or defence.
We have Mcintosh, Wynne, Carlos, Scott, Mitch and Swift plus a few other young backs, so not sure Simm is needed.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Apart from the Cas game, when else has he had moments of madness?
No one is ignoring it, but weighing up the strengths and weaknesses of both players on based on playing for Hull, Wynne is a much better player.'"
Saints at home
The Warrington game getting involved with matuatia
Numerous errors where he's thrashing about or lashing out as his heads gone after being tackled. Seen it all season from East stand. Needs to mature.
We talk about errors and discipline every week, but chose to ignore or not hold accountable the worst culprits......
Bad habit Hull fans have
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| Quote ="bonaire"Its the same with McIntosh.Simm got all the criticism yet McIntosh makes plenty of errors with high balls and dropping the ball coming out of backfield.
you have to have a balanced view'"
The irony of this remark brought a huge smile to my face.
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| Quote ="Rocknrolla69er"Saints at home
The Warrington game getting involved with matuatia
Numerous errors where he's thrashing about or lashing out as his heads gone after being tackled. Seen it all season from East stand. Needs to mature.
We talk about errors and discipline every week, but chose to ignore or not hold accountable the worst culprits......
Bad habit Hull fans have'"
Wynne was wrongly sinbinned against Saints and they was nothing in the Warrington at home game, was stupid against Cas and think you are over exaggerating it, we have a few players who have been banned more than him such as Sao and Gale.
Thr argument is that he is better than Simm, which is hard to argue with their respective Hull form.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Wynne was wrongly sinbinned against Saints and they was nothing in the Warrington at home game, was stupid against Cas and think you are over exaggerating it, we have a few players who have been banned more than him such as Sao and Gale.
Thr argument is that he is better than Simm, which is hard to argue with their respective Hull form.'"
I stand by my opinion I think he needs to grow up, his hotheadedness leads to errors, penalty and sin bins. Got a long way to go to become a decent regular for us.
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| Quote ="Rocknrolla69er"Quote ="Dave K."Wynne was wrongly sinbinned against Saints and they was nothing in the Warrington at home game, was stupid against Cas and think you are over exaggerating it, we have a few players who have been banned more than him such as Sao and Gale.
Thr argument is that he is better than Simm, which is hard to argue with their respective Hull form.'"
I stand by my opinion I think he needs to grow up, his hotheadedness leads to errors, penalty and sin bins. Got a long way to go to become a decent regular for us.'"
To be fair I can see both sides of the argument re Wynne. I think he is certainly a player that has shown potential and could be a very good player but his temperament is certainly something that needs work on. He does have as he has shown quite often this season an issue in getting worked up to the point of daft penalties and errors he makes. I like him as a player and the fact he is prepared to get stuck in but it needs to be more controlled. He’s sat some games out due to attitude issues too so again something that needs work to make him into a better player and hopefully reach his full potential.
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| Quote ="Rocknrolla69er"I stand by my opinion I think he needs to grow up, his hotheadedness leads to errors, penalty and sin bins. Got a long way to go to become a decent regular for us.'"
I agree in some respect, but he is better than Simm.
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| Quote ="Dave K."I agree in some respect, but he is better than Simm.'"
Until Simm was given a go at centre I’m not sure that is a fair judgment?
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| Quote ="Dave K."I agree in some respect, but he is better than Simm.'"
I did have High hopes for him and kind of still do, no doubting there's a player there, its just mentally I don't think he's strong or mature enough, and sadly I don't think he l progress because of it.
I'd heard of the off field antics too, whereas I think he's in last chance saloon with Hodgson, the Sutcliffe signing shows me Hodgson doesn't trust Wynne. Hopefully he l buckle up and progress
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| Quote ="davey41"Until Simm was given a go at centre I’m not sure that is a fair judgment?'"
This is based on what I have seen, but would Simm's handling and defence (maybe) improve at centre enough, I'm not sure.
I think the signing of Sutcliffe will rule out Simm coming permanently, think he needs a year or two in the championship.
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| Jack Brown done his shoulder and out for the season. Gutted for Brown, he's really developed this season.
Evans should be fit after his knee problem.
Mata'utia, Paasi and possibly Hopoate back for Saints..... just gets easier
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| Quote ="Dave K."This is based on what I have seen, but would Simm's handling and defence (maybe) improve at centre enough, I'm not sure.
I think the signing of Sutcliffe will rule out Simm coming permanently, think he needs a year or two in the championship.'"
I know what you are saying and don’t necessarily disagree.
Just think it’s a little unfair to judge based on what we have seen in different positions.
Wynne can make good tackles but also can be beaten fairly easily at times. Just noticed his poor effort on Pryce for one of Huddersfield tries.
Both have made similar handling errors.
Who knows maybe one day we will get a better comparison?
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