I think a lot of you are missing the point entirely, and that is partly down to the fact that this is primarily an American issue, which isnt to say we don't have some of the same problems here

The current state in the US is that the system has been actively designed to incarcerate Black men at greater rates then whites, slavery might have ended but the state just found other ways of keeping them down. A large proportion of the country werent happy with Black equality and so found other means of keeping them off the streets. The easiest example of this is when crack cocaine had 6 times the prison sentence of powdered cocaine - despite it being the same substance.

All lives do matter, but you dont tell the fireman that all houses matter when he is putting out the one on fire.

Hull being one of the whitest cities in the country probably doesnt give most people there the perspective to understand fully, but other people becoming more equal doesnt take anything away from you.

We dont need a banner flying, because White lives have always mattered, now lets make sure everyone else does too

Well said.

I expect some people on here also have issues with the MOBO Awards and International Women's Day.

I take it that the Hull comment was aimed at me?

I was born in Hull but grew up in the middles east. I also spent 5 years living and working in Shanghai as well as 6 years living in south Carolina. Whilst in the US i was in charge of a mostly black team of engineers. I've experienced living in very racially diverse parts of the world and had many many conversations with friends, black, white and asian, about the issues that America seems to suffer with. They all, to a man point to cultural issues first and foremost.

I am not arguing about racism existing, of course it does, but there is not an institution aimed at keeping them down. The issue is far far deeper than BLM will have you believe. Why is everyone oppressed? If you're black, its the white mans fault, if you're white its the one percent! No-one is stopping you from getting on in life except you. It's far easier to call victim than it is to take some responsibility for your own actions.

The lack of equality across everything makes this patently untrue.

If you live in a poor area, you go to a worse school, your teachers arent quite as good, you get worse grades, get a worse job, on a lower income and are less likely to have financial support from your family

Now compound that with being BAME and having racism added to it.

No one is stopping you trying, but plenty of structures prevent you from achieving it as easily as others.

Equality of opportunity or outcome.

It makes it harder no doubt, but certainly not impossible. There are cultural issues within these communities that compound racial problems that they no doubt experience. But again, what structures are in place specifically to keep black people down?

Quote ="easthullwesty"Equality of opportunity or outcome. It makes it harder no doubt, but certainly not impossible. There are cultural issues within these communities that compound racial problems that they no doubt experience. But again, what structures are in place specifically to keep black people down?'" It's less obvious in the UK, and is mainly class based, but there are a few thing easily pointed out; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46927417 - Here BAME people have to apply to on average 60% more roles, changing your name can give instant positive results https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/ma ... acial-bias - Here Black people are 40x more likely to be stopped and searched by Police So straight away its harder to get a job, and you are less likely to trust the establishment and feel marginalized just by existing I'm a working class white guy who worked hard and did OK, it takes nothing away from me appreciating that its harder for others than it was for me. I don't want it to be hard for anyone.

Quote ="easthullwesty"Equality of opportunity or outcome. It makes it harder no doubt, but certainly not impossible. There are cultural issues within these communities that compound racial problems that they no doubt experience. But again, what structures are in place specifically to keep black people down?'" It's less obvious in the UK, and is mainly class based, but there are a few thing easily pointed out; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46927417 - Here BAME people have to apply to on average 60% more roles, changing your name can give instant positive results https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/ma ... acial-bias - Here Black people are 40x more likely to be stopped and searched by Police So straight away its harder to get a job, and you are less likely to trust the establishment and feel marginalized just by existing I'm a working class white guy who worked hard and did OK, it takes nothing away from me appreciating that its harder for others than it was for me. I don't want it to be hard for anyone.

Quote ="OmneFC"It's less obvious in the UK, and is mainly class based, but there are a few thing easily pointed out; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46927417 - Here BAME people have to apply to on average 60% more roles, changing your name can give instant positive results https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/ma ... acial-bias - Here Black people are 40x more likely to be stopped and searched by Police So straight away its harder to get a job, and you are less likely to trust the establishment and feel marginalized just by existing I'm a working class white guy who worked hard and did OK, it takes nothing away from me appreciating that its harder for others than it was for me. I don't want it to be hard for anyone.'" If the Blacks in particularly London stopped carry weapons,stabbing people,robbing pedestrians using motor scooters,and recruiting young kids to deal their drugs then im certain the stop and search percentage would come down drastically.Until then there is only one way it is going and thats up. With regard to employment it should always be the best candidate for the job. I agree its more difficult for a Black people in certain areas of employment but that doesnt mean that we should fast track Blacks into positions for the wrong reasons. Its not so long ago that media news channels like Sky and the BBC fast tracked Muslims into high profile positions and the same will now probably apply to Blacks. That in my opinion is wrong.

Quote ="OmneFC"It's less obvious in the UK, and is mainly class based, but there are a few thing easily pointed out; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46927417 - Here BAME people have to apply to on average 60% more roles, changing your name can give instant positive results https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/ma ... acial-bias - Here Black people are 40x more likely to be stopped and searched by Police So straight away its harder to get a job, and you are less likely to trust the establishment and feel marginalized just by existing I'm a working class white guy who worked hard and did OK, it takes nothing away from me appreciating that its harder for others than it was for me. I don't want it to be hard for anyone.'" If the Blacks in particularly London stopped carry weapons,stabbing people,robbing pedestrians using motor scooters,and recruiting young kids to deal their drugs then im certain the stop and search percentage would come down drastically.Until then there is only one way it is going and thats up. With regard to employment it should always be the best candidate for the job. I agree its more difficult for a Black people in certain areas of employment but that doesnt mean that we should fast track Blacks into positions for the wrong reasons. Its not so long ago that media news channels like Sky and the BBC fast tracked Muslims into high profile positions and the same will now probably apply to Blacks. That in my opinion is wrong.

Quote ="OmneFC"It's less obvious in the UK, and is mainly class based, but there are a few thing easily pointed out; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46927417 - Here BAME people have to apply to on average 60% more roles, changing your name can give instant positive results https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/ma ... acial-bias - Here Black people are 40x more likely to be stopped and searched by Police So straight away its harder to get a job, and you are less likely to trust the establishment and feel marginalized just by existing I'm a working class white guy who worked hard and did OK, it takes nothing away from me appreciating that its harder for others than it was for me. I don't want it to be hard for anyone.'" The minute you quote the leftist BBC and Guardian (owned originally by a slave owner) tells me everything to know about your narrative.

Quote ="OmneFC"It's less obvious in the UK, and is mainly class based, but there are a few thing easily pointed out; https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46927417 - Here BAME people have to apply to on average 60% more roles, changing your name can give instant positive results https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/ma ... acial-bias - Here Black people are 40x more likely to be stopped and searched by Police So straight away its harder to get a job, and you are less likely to trust the establishment and feel marginalized just by existing I'm a working class white guy who worked hard and did OK, it takes nothing away from me appreciating that its harder for others than it was for me. I don't want it to be hard for anyone.'" The minute you quote the leftist BBC and Guardian (owned originally by a slave owner) tells me everything to know about your narrative.

Quote ="IR80"The minute you quote the leftist BBC and Guardian (owned originally by a slave owner) tells me everything to know about your narrative.'" Apologies, maybe I should have chosen news sources outside of those deemed the most trustworthy in the country https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/ ... report.pdf

Quote ="IR80"The minute you quote the leftist BBC and Guardian (owned originally by a slave owner) tells me everything to know about your narrative.'" Apologies, maybe I should have chosen news sources outside of those deemed the most trustworthy in the country https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/ ... report.pdf

Just out of curiosity, what do you regard as centrist or, failing that, legitimate news sources?

The founder of the Manchester Guardian was a mill owner who bought cotton from slave plantations, rather than being a slave owner himself. According to Wikipedia, anyway. [iPossibly[/i a fine distinction, but an example of how central to the British economy the profits of slavery were at that time.

That is the problem now M.R, there is no centrist or legitimate news, they all have editorial slant and leanings toward where the funds come from.

I agree 100% about the slavery issue, I just find The Guardian incredibly hypocritical, and the people that read it to be somewhat holier than thou.

Quote ="OmneFC"Apologies, maybe I should have chosen news sources outside of those deemed the most trustworthy in the country https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/ ... report.pdf'" Means nothing, a huge %ge of the population believe in religion.

Quote ="OmneFC"Apologies, maybe I should have chosen news sources outside of those deemed the most trustworthy in the country https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/ ... report.pdf'" Means nothing, a huge %ge of the population believe in religion.

Quote ="IR80"Means nothing, a huge %ge of the population believe in religion.'" A lower % than trust the Guardian and BBC though interestingly https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... 2019-12-04

Quote ="IR80"Means nothing, a huge %ge of the population believe in religion.'" A lower % than trust the Guardian and BBC though interestingly https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... 2019-12-04

Quote ="IR80"Means nothing, a huge %ge of the population believe in religion.'" https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... h/religion Quote [ C informal an activity that someone is extremely enthusiastic about and does regularly: Football is a religion for these people.'"

Quote ="IR80"Means nothing, a huge %ge of the population believe in religion.'" https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... h/religion Quote [ C informal an activity that someone is extremely enthusiastic about and does regularly: Football is a religion for these people.'"

words can be twisted to suit most arguments, especially when used out of context.

For sure.
We can have dossiers and files implicating countries of harbouring weapons of mass destruction innit?
Go across and murder tens of thousands of innocent women and children.
If it needs to fit , it'll be made to fit.
Anyways, were still waiting for where you garner your wholly neutral news info?

Way off-topic but I find the widely varying perception of the BBC fascinating.
The far left seem to denounce it as a right wing govt mouthpiece and at the same time many on the right scream that it's too left leaning.
The implication then is it's fairly centrist in its outlook.
It's far from a perfect institution and I think it's has become a little too obsessed with appearing 'balanced' but it seems to have a far less pronounced editorial slant than many news sources out there.

I hadn't added or twisted any words? It was straight from Cambridge dictionary

you completely missed my point, but it happens when you are more obsessed with who posted as opposed to the post itself.

give yer head a bang and get over yourself daft lad.

I was simply after you clarifying your meaning of 'religion'