You know for a fact he has money in cash reserves...?

She knows full well that Rovers are in the same precarious position as every other club in rugby league.

At a time when we are all supporting each other in this city and Robins/Airlie Birds are stood alongside each other each Thursday applauding our key workers, she seeks to divide us.

New low in my opinion and probably highlights that she doesn't live in our great city and appreciate that despite the banter we all want each others club to come out of the other side of this.

Sanctimonious conjecture and unnecessarily personal. Bringing support for key workers into it? Seriously?

This is a thread about Hull FC's survival. Clubs with wealthy backers are better insulated than those without. I listed half a dozen clubs in this bracket and was then [uasked[/u a specific question about your club, and referenced that your chairman a few weeks ago had the necessary financing to pay a million for the ground; Pearson said ages ago that in relative terms to Hudgell he is a financial pauper. What I'm saying is that in relative terms the personal wealth of your owner provides a buffer we don't have, in the same way the likes of Moran will likely be able to shield Warrington, and to a greater extent. It's a fact that some clubs will have assets to leverage (eg ground ownership), and/or wealthy backers and will therefore be at lower risk. Hull FC are facing the reality of this right now and are at severe financial risk.because we have neither. Please don't make this about me, where I live, and fabricate some divisional agenda. It's untrue and unnecessary in addition to derailing the thread.

Have to agree R.B.A, it does seem rediculous to be even trying to bring KR into a thread about the fragility of FC. Like many, I have questioned Mrs B's motives in the past, this latest 'contribution' just reinforces my suspicions. I question when she posts the word "we", her little rant shows true colours, calling out anyone for derailing is lughable from her.

Just for clarity, this was my post highlighting 7 clubs (maybe Catalans as well in hindsight) replying to Isiah's post:

And here is the post bringing KR specifically into it that I subsequently replied to:

I'm trying not to be 'sanctimonious' here, but please stop arguing about the morale high ground for there isn't any in the situation we all find ourselves in at present. For me, Points scoring is pointless for every team is in crisis. One owner has more money than another, one club is more likely to survive that another; it may not matter a jot if we have no game left at the end of all this. Can anyone see the majority of clubs surviving until 2021 without any income coming in from gates etc because I don't think I can. It's like those idiots still trying to score political points in the Sunday papers out of what is the biggest health crisis this country has faced in a century, when at present its all really just about coming together and saving lives.

In Life and indeed sport it's time for everyone to stand together, to stay safe and to safeguard those we love and to cherish the things that mean the most to us. We should be applauding the NHS, we should be applauding everyone who is staying at home and everyone who is volunteering. Plus in our small corner of the sporting world if we have any clapping left, we should be applauding all the staff and players at the Rugby League Club that is so dear to all of us for the way that they have reacted to the situation they find themselves in as well. Because, for the time being at least, they have probably given us the best chance there is of Hull FC surviving.

Completely agree. I think the club are doing a great job by the way in terms of keeping good content coming, classic match replays on Facebook etc. Anything we can be doing to buy merchandise etc should be done, and I do think we could put in place something like a financial support scheme to contribute e.g. putting in what we would have spent on awaydays, match tickets etc into a fund to help the club. I really hope they are looking seriously at this. Things are really grim, but one thing we do have is a big fanbase that can help - we need a practical mechanism to do so IMO.

Avoid furloughing ? They have furloughed all players and staff.

From a Rovers perspective, while it is clearly good that we have a benefactor, the problem is that we are reliant on him to an unhealthy degree - and that is just to limp along at the bottom end of SL in recent times. On top of that, we’re effectively subsidized by another of his businesses that, like nearly all businesses, is probably taking a hit and will require even more of his attention than normal.

It’s impossible to predict what will happen, but I wouldn’t rule out some currently full-time clubs going semi-pro. And if (still a big IF) it comes to trying to save clubs that are struggling the worst in their current incarnation and risking it failing, and gambling on starting over... well, it’d be a difficult and unpleasant benefit-risk assessment.

Hard times ahead for both Clubs .
RL is not a rich sport . As you say maybe Clubs will need to go semi pro ?
Or even merge ?

Been thinking about the semi pro point too. The post Covid scenarios are so diverse and obviously depend on how long lockdown lasts, in what form, and how our fanbase (RL) is impacted financially. I had thought also of clubs (well Hull FC) having to fold then starting again in Champ 1. Presumably our tenancy at the KCOM would be null and void. Would we play at Costello for example? The reality is that both Hull clubs will have a fanbase that sticks by them in the medium term but in what guise, new entity or old, is anyone's guess.

The game in general is struggling to survive, not just one club. Like I said earlier all professional sport other than the premier league is in a fight for its life.
Salary caps for lower league football could be coming in on the back of this.
The sporting landscape will be dramatically altered after this.

Quote ="HFC Boy"Hard times ahead for both Clubs . RL is not a rich sport . As you say maybe Clubs will need to go semi pro ? Or even merge ?'" Aye, there’s a very wide range of possibilities right now. Quote ="Mrs Barista"Been thinking about the semi pro point too. The post Covid scenarios are so diverse and obviously depend on how long lockdown lasts, in what form, and how our fanbase (RL) is impacted financially. I had thought also of clubs (well Hull FC) having to fold then starting again in Champ 1. Presumably our tenancy at the KCOM would be null and void. Would we play at Costello for example? The reality is that both Hull clubs will have a fanbase that sticks by them in the medium term but in what guise, new entity or old, is anyone's guess.'" Thoughts along broadly similar lines have occurred to me from a Rovers perspective. Obviously, we’re looking at a worst case scenario and hopefully better outcomes are more likely. However, if Rovers and/or Hull were unable to continue as going concerns it is plausible that several other SL teams would suffer the same fate. If, for example, Oldham, Batley and Whitehaven are able to keep going thanks to a much lower cost base should they get priority in the restructure ahead of Phoenix clubs claiming more potential? There’s a sporting argument and a business argument, but the big question is who would fill the power vacuum? Hudgell’s take on it: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/ ... s-outbreak

Quote ="HFC Boy"Hard times ahead for both Clubs . RL is not a rich sport . As you say maybe Clubs will need to go semi pro ? Or even merge ?'" Aye, there’s a very wide range of possibilities right now. Quote ="Mrs Barista"Been thinking about the semi pro point too. The post Covid scenarios are so diverse and obviously depend on how long lockdown lasts, in what form, and how our fanbase (RL) is impacted financially. I had thought also of clubs (well Hull FC) having to fold then starting again in Champ 1. Presumably our tenancy at the KCOM would be null and void. Would we play at Costello for example? The reality is that both Hull clubs will have a fanbase that sticks by them in the medium term but in what guise, new entity or old, is anyone's guess.'" Thoughts along broadly similar lines have occurred to me from a Rovers perspective. Obviously, we’re looking at a worst case scenario and hopefully better outcomes are more likely. However, if Rovers and/or Hull were unable to continue as going concerns it is plausible that several other SL teams would suffer the same fate. If, for example, Oldham, Batley and Whitehaven are able to keep going thanks to a much lower cost base should they get priority in the restructure ahead of Phoenix clubs claiming more potential? There’s a sporting argument and a business argument, but the big question is who would fill the power vacuum? Hudgell’s take on it: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/ ... s-outbreak

From that article it would appears he's not putting any more money in until we know what's happening with this seasons outcomes. Which looking at the state of the game going forward is very sensible.

[iHudgell also wants assurances over whether promotion and relegation will continue this year before he invests any more money into Hull KR, which he has backed to the tune of millions of pounds since he assumed control of the Super League club in 2005.

“I want to know what’s happening in that regard. If we end up with a skewed fixture list and compromising integrity, you can be sure I’m not putting in six months’ graft if I run the risk of relegation at the end of it. I want those assurances by the time we look to get playing again. Until then, I’m not committing any more money to the sport: I’d be crazy to do so.”[/i

Quote ="Mrs Barista"The same multimillionaire that's about to pay 7 figures for Craven Park? Fair to assume they will be readly buffered against the impact of the virus.'" https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/ ... s-outbreak Seems times hard at Rovers too .

Quote ="Mrs Barista"The same multimillionaire that's about to pay 7 figures for Craven Park? Fair to assume they will be readly buffered against the impact of the virus.'" https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/ ... s-outbreak Seems times hard at Rovers too .

Nobody's saying that they aren't.

But he does say that he wants assurances over whether promotion and relegation will continue this year before he invests any more money into Hull KR, which suggests that money is available, more than can be said for a lot of clubs, I'd imagine.

Indeed, that's the key difference.

Does anyone know whether clubs, and particularly ours, are looking at some sort of crowd funding to support their existence?

I would have thought you could have a virtual matchday where you could "buy" items you would normally be spending money on, e.g £25 away game ticket, £8 coach travel, £4 pie etc. Might be an option for those that can spare the cash?

All very quiet from the fans side which is a bit strange - Wheres Wolfie and his ilk?

We need to start doing something as fans and not just let it unfold into armageddon in front of our eyes

A poster on Facebook suggested this and was ridiculed . He took it down.
As fans we may need to step up ? You are right ,we can’t stand idly by.
I know times are hard at the moment for people . But some form of fund raising needs looking at . It could help the Club through the next few months?

Sounds a good idea .

I think if people reflected on what they would normally be spending each week following the club it could be worthwhile. All adds up, £5 Walton Street car park, £2.50 for a coffee in the stadium, snacks, beer fuel, Half time draw tickets, Away game tickets & travel..obviously merchandise is still available but might be worth thinking about if low cost to administer.

Would you (or indeed ‘we’) want to hedge bets in this situation? If there is a specific plan and target amount that’d solve the problem it’d be straightforward. But if it just ends up delaying things, that is money that could have gone towards a new start and which hasn’t achieved much from a fan’s perspective. For some Hull fans, knowing that chunk of their donation might have gone to the Allams as rent might make it an even more bitter pill.

Could it (the money raised) be put in trust until needed - for whatever end?

I’m worried about the hopes being pinned on a government bail out. I think RL clubs are really important civic institutions, and with their low overheads they offer great value. However, after a long period of austerity and with massive economic fallout from this situation still to come, sports clubs are going to be well down the line behind key public services and private sectors considered vital to society.

Fair point about ringfencing it - purpose would need to be clear. I'm saving money on my normal Hull FC level of expenditure - materially - at a time the club needs it the most - just feels wrong. I agree the government won't help, and as you say in the grand scheme of things there will be more important priorities than propping up RL.

Do we still have that official Hull FC fans rep club thingy?

Is it possible to have an online forum with club and fans (maybe even pay to join in)
We could maybe find out how we (as fans) can best help the club. What sort of targets we need to look for