Leeds wont be much better , but Wigan certainly will and probably be the only chalenge to Saints dominance with Hull and Wire a fair distance behind and the rest a poor standard probably led by Cas

The best resourced clubs are Wigan, Leeds, Saints and Warrington so would expect things to settle round them as the Top 4 - that is generally the case with the odd incursion by us, Cas, and spectacularly Salford this time round. Catalans, Hull, etc need to pedal harder to offset the top group's advantages. Bit of luck either way on injuries can have a big impact, which is why it's pointless having overblown expectations, better to enjoy the journey in my experience.

Give Connor a decent run at FB, and see how he goes. I expect our attack will be improved. Shaul is awesome at times but a play maker is more important in our team. Next season it looks like we won’t have a ball playing 13 either so I think this highlights the need for a decent pivot at FB

Long term we definitely need an attack coach like Wilde alluded to. I like Radford a lot but if I was in Pearson’s shoes then I’d pay big money for a new coach. If none available then look for an attacking coach as plan B

A new captain wouldn’t go amiss either. My choice would be Manu Ma’u. Taylor could keep his VC. Literally nobody else springs to mind whatsoever... which perhaps says something about the grit and determination we often lack. Nothing wrong with a bit of change

Ma'u doesn't strike me as a captain. Shame we couldn't get Thompson he would have been perfect.

Yeah I think I’m getting mixed up with Joel Thompson!! I knew one of them had great leadership credentials

hulls problem is more than down to indiviuals,we are as good as any team away from home,but we have a serious attitude problem playing at the kc,its also not just this season,but has been the same for a few years now.until we sort it,we will never be consistant enough to do well in the league.what the answer is I dont know,but it needs addressing.

Maybe the players don't feel the fans have their back when the chips are down.

If they're that fragile I suggest they consider a career change

Quote ="Jake the Peg"If they're that fragile I suggest they consider a career change'" Sure. Not like it's a stressful career. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2019/ ... al-health/ https://twitter.com/MichaelC1873/status ... 9025406981

Quote ="Jake the Peg"If they're that fragile I suggest they consider a career change'" Sure. Not like it's a stressful career. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2019/ ... al-health/ https://twitter.com/MichaelC1873/status ... 9025406981

Quote ="Mrs Barista"Sure. Not like it's a stressful career. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2019/ ... al-health/ https://twitter.com/MichaelC1873/status ... 9025406981'" plenty of much more stressful jobs out there

Quote ="Mrs Barista"Sure. Not like it's a stressful career. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2019/ ... al-health/ https://twitter.com/MichaelC1873/status ... 9025406981'" plenty of much more stressful jobs out there

To be fair I think the fans have been pretty supportive, even when we had that horrendous losing run last year. The “poor atmosphere at the KCom” is a cop out to be honest.
If they feel pressure, it’s the price you pay for playing for a big club with passionate fans. Can always go and play for London where the atmosphere might be more forgiving.
They also play for a coach with high expectations who tells it as it is - pretty much like the fanbase!

Quote ="Mrs Barista"Sure. Not like it's a stressful career. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2019/ ... al-health/ https://twitter.com/MichaelC1873/status ... 9025406981'" Yeh really conclusive that 1200 person survey, complete joke

Quote ="Mrs Barista"Sure. Not like it's a stressful career. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2019/ ... al-health/ https://twitter.com/MichaelC1873/status ... 9025406981'" Yeh really conclusive that 1200 person survey, complete joke

I haven't seen a convincing articulation of why our away form is better than our home form. This is just one suggestion. Understand it may not be a popular one.

Quote ="Mrs Barista"Sure. Not like it's a stressful career. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2019/ ... al-health/ https://twitter.com/MichaelC1873/status ... 9025406981'" What a load of bull. That has nothing to do with Hull FC, people who exercise or work in sport!!!! Really scraping with that excuse. There are more stressful and dangerous jobs out there. These guys are earning a living from playing a sport they love. Lee can't legislate or be held accountable for individual errors but as a collective he is responsible for the attacking and defensive structure and game plan implementation.

Quote ="Mrs Barista"Sure. Not like it's a stressful career. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2019/ ... al-health/ https://twitter.com/MichaelC1873/status ... 9025406981'" What a load of bull. That has nothing to do with Hull FC, people who exercise or work in sport!!!! Really scraping with that excuse. There are more stressful and dangerous jobs out there. These guys are earning a living from playing a sport they love. Lee can't legislate or be held accountable for individual errors but as a collective he is responsible for the attacking and defensive structure and game plan implementation.

I don't think anyone is claiming the job of a professional sportsman is the "most stressful or dangerous", that's a red herring. The point we are discussing is that the team can and does perform better away from the KCOM - I imagine our away record is as good as anyone's this season apart from Saints, which shows what we are capable of. It's not outrageous to suggest one hypothesis could be that the atmosphere is less supportive at home. It may not be a popular hypothesis but it's not outrageous.

I'd bring in Paul Cooke to be our attacking coach the guy has a great knowledge of the game and was our best attacking player for years. Agree with most points Wildie, I'd like to see Connor at 1 for a few games.

Wasn't Jamie Shaul best man at Radford's wedding?

It's not really unpopular or outrageous but is over simplistic. The match day atmosphere tends to be the result of team performance, not the cause.

We play well in patches this year of 15-20 minutes (at home, at least). If we score enough points in that patch we tend to win, if not we tend to lose. Plenty of examples of us racking up points quickly then switching off. I'd say this is down to mental approach rather than anything the crowd does. Maybe it's our preparation and/or mentality for away games which is the difference. I also think radford has talked up the kcom effect too much and it maybe plays on the players minds..

One thing is for certain, if we'd been anywhere near as good at home as we have been away, we'd be a long way clear in 2nd now.

Anyway, all this trying to put the blame on the fans is moving the discussion away from (I'm sure that was the intention) the real discussion here

I'd have cooke nowhere near this team. We need fresh ideas, not another old boy mate of radford's with nothing new to bring to the table, plus he's hardly set the coaching world alight in his past jobs

"All of this trying to put the blame on the fans"? I'm agreeing with you that our away form has been really good so it's not a question of capability. The question we're trying to answer is why this isn't replicated at home. Of.course there will be more than one factor, and it's not been suggested otherwise. The difference in support could be one. Certainly feels a different experience as a supporter and that's been the case for a few years, with different mixes of home and away success.

On paper the 2020 side looks better than the 2019 one. However, in answer to the title question, Radford is still going to be in charge, so no. Our biggest issue still remains.

Yep think they will. Our pack will be one of the best in the league. The backs will have a field day. IMO will defo be challenging

But if we can't keep hold of the ball, continue to give cheap penalties away, simply rely on a crash and bash game plan rather than get a proper attacking structure to our game and don't improve our defensive deficiencies then we are not really any better off other than upgrade on players.

If we actually sorted out the issues that plaque us and have done for the past few years and more (even during the 2 CC winning seasons) we would more than likely have achieved more even with the players we've had and not had the capitulations we seem only too keen to serve up.

We looked absolutely devoid of any sort of structure on Saturday and do not seem to have the mental attitude to put a game to bed, dig in when needed or have any other options available if plan A isn't working.

I like Radford and what he has done to turn the club around but something needs to be addressed within the coaching structure and a fresh face from outside needs to be added as we are just too one dimensional and seem to rely more on the skill of individuals rather than set structures. So if we lose one or two players we just simply can't cope as we don't appear to have the attacking structures in place to cover the loss of players.

As a few posters have said . It is down to Coaching .
Radford is not the man to take us to the next level , to sustain success.
A new broom is needed , fresh ideas to inject some enthusiasm and energy.
We have blown 2nd spot , with an error ridden lacklustre performance.

100%. The club wants to be grateful that over 10k are turning up every week after some of the dross they've served us up over the last two seasons. It should be the team who give the fans something to shout about.