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| don't spoil his night lol
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"Tarquinius here !
I said after the Wigan game that the season would fizzle out
I backed Hull to win tonight but I took 8 start
Why ?
Anyways my message will never change
Show me the coach and I’ll show you the team
This team can win the GF
We’ve been very close, last year we beat Leeds then we win the GF
However back to thread - not under the current set up of coaches
Move LR and AL on
Name a stand after Lee or even a statue with the CC held aloft in his hands from 2016
However needs must
The CC is a 4 round ko Comp with luck of the draw thrown in
GF is a marathon requiring total different mindset
My thoughts aren’t new and it will take AP to make a decision at the end of the season
Funny enough I also said we will finish where we are after 9 rounds and once again within a place of where we were'"
You mean 'The luck of the draw' that saw us beat Saints, Catalans, Wigan and Warrington to win it.
He'll get the chance to put it right next season, and if, by May, he hasn't then I would expect his position to be under review.
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| Quote ="hull2524"don't egg him on please, we just got rid of one'"
Who is the 'we' you refer too?
You do know that different opinions are allowed on this forum, it's not a closed shop for so called apoligists and happy clappers.
You should try having an opinion and not just ride the coat tails of others and stop deriding other people's opinions.
Back on topic.
Not happy with our 1 dimensional play. All the biggest failings in our attack, defence and lack of plan b have been discussed to death so won't revisit.
For me injuries have been a factor although not the main causation factor so I'm willing to give Radford another season.
A chance for him to develop and grow as a coach and show he can adapt to adversity and develop a plan B going forward or even change our style of play.
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| Quote ="UllFC"Green will come back for one game before limping off again, one of a few that needs to be moved on'"
I agree, I’m actually a fan of Green and he’s a good player who can bend the line. But he’s injured more often than not. I’d release him if we can get a suitable replacement.
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| The other question is who would you bring in to move you forward should you get rid of Radford?
There aren't that many decent coaches out there. Unless you're going to take a chance on an unknown who may or may not work out.
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| Need to use this season as a steep learning curve.
Injuries have done for us, but we’ve also been worked out by many teams.
Our power play in ‘16 and ‘17 could see off most teams on its day, but we’ve lost key personnel (Ellis, Fonua and Watts) which helped us play that way.
We really need to adapt how we play and offer more.
Our main attacking ploy is a kick to the corner on the fifth. That needs to change.
AP will ultimately decide what happens going forward. Just have a feeling that if we don’t kick on next season, things may change.
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| Let us not forget this was Lee’s team righting the wrongs of last weeks capitulation
Rovers are a poor bottom 4 team with injuries
We had fit star players back at home with a massive point to prove after all the apologies Lee gave last Sunday
How could we lose ? Unless the mentality wasn’t right ? You tell me
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| I could write a list as long as my arm about the things that are wrong on the field currently. Not to mention the poor recruitment/retention for next year. Radford has achieved enough to deserve the chance to put it right, but we look incredibly poor of late and it is a concern.
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| The only positive I can find is that we aren't in the middle 8's, with our form I honestly wouldn't be confident of a top 3 finish.
Our go forward again is fine, generally we are good enough in defence.
Concerns are with our attacking play, I honestly think if Shaul doesn't improve his link up play we need to look at another option at FB, I think we have to bring in another coach to help improve our attack I just hope Radford can see this
We have to adapt our style as we have some good backs and weaker in the forwards from the previous years.
I'm not sure retaining all of Washy, Mini, Manu and Talanoa was the best idea, needed to add some pace and a Willie Manu type player.
We aren't fait off and a good bsvkrower and improvement in our attack would see us challenging next year IMO.
Unfortunately I see neither happening
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| Hopefully these performances will make AP and Radders realise we need a bit of freshing up
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| Quote ="Dave K."Hopefully these performances will make AP and Radders realise we need a bit of freshing up'"
We're up to the cap with all the renewals
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| Quote ="Wilde 3"We're up to the cap with all the renewals'"
Need to make a couple of tough decisions then, look to loan out a few young lads, there are ways to do it ifvthe right player is available
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| Agree with all that Dave K
Being ruthless, I’d have lost Tuli, Washy and one of Mini / Manu.
Paea just not done it either. I know that they’re good pros, but next year is going to be a season too far for some of them.
Attacking structures need tweaking as well.
Like I said earlier, teams have worked us out and we’ve lost Ellis, Watts and Fonua who helped us play the power game.
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| I'd also like to sell Abdul, think its the best move for us and him
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| Can’t see Abdul being at the club long term. Just not a good fit for both parties.
Thing is, AP isn’t daft. He won’t be happy unless we’re competing at the top end.
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| Anyone else think Green might go? Nothing to base it on, just that again we're not getting a good return appearance wise, made more acute by the loss this term of Watts going and Bowden's injury. Effectively we've had Taylor, Paea off the bench and Masi as consistent props - not enough at this level.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Anyone else think Green might go? Nothing to base it on, just that again we're not getting a good return appearance wise, made more acute by the loss this term of Watts going and Bowden's injury. Effectively we've had Taylor, Paea off the bench and Masi as consistent props - not enough at this level.'"
He's missed about thirty games in the last three season, not far off a third of all games.
Micky Paea has been disappointing this year, Matongo is improving but lacks aggression.
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| … he's no worse than plenty of others this season who could equally be accused of missing too many games.
I though Paea had a good game last night.
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| Paea played well last night but hasn't done enough this season. Certainly not the player he was. Agree about Matongo, he has the physical attributes to be a good prop in the future but seems to lack confidence and aggression.
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| How’s the saying go? - “Better to release a player a year too early rather than a year too late”
Don’t think major changes are required as we’ve rarely had our first 17 on the pitch at the same time.
What we have lacked for a couple of seasons now though is impact off the bench.
That and tweaks to the attacking structures.
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| also thought paea had a good game, was our best prop for me, masi will get better next hopefully, bienik is our wild card, could be anything, if his hamstring isn't to bad might even see him this year?
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| I’m not rushing to judge the younger players, as they’ve all been thrown in at the same time. We haven’t been able to bring them in in a controlled way.
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| … Kelly and Connor didn't play last night, our 2 most creative players.
Our attack is bound to suffer when they're missing, by how much is obviously open to debate.
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| also thought lane had his best game, kid ran hard and did dent the line,
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