That's rubbish, also big difference between sin binning and Pens.

I'll agree at times it seems to be random, but often penalties for both teams are obvious.

Every fan could say that they are hard done to my refs.

2nd highest number of penalties conceded in the comp, 7 yellow cards and 1 red would indicate otherwise. Our poor ball control (which was much better on Friday) and indiscipline have put additional pressure on our defence

Why is it rubbish? Have you never seen us not given a penalty when a few minutes earlier we were penalised for exactly the same offence?

You said penalties could be given nearly every tackle, that's the rubbish bit.

To answer your question yes I have, but all teams could say that, this doesn't excuse our poor discipline this year.

Taking into account offside, not square, not playing the ball correctly, not playing the ball at the mark, delaying the play the ball, plus the tackle process itself, I reckon most times one of those offences will be committed - and the ref decides whether to bother or not.

So, in a sense, you're right, every penalty we've conceded was almost certainly a correct decision.

If you say so, we aren't going to agree, despite the facts ou discipline is fine, might as well lock this thread.

Stats don't lie.
If you're going to stick your head in the sand and suggest its the refs fault, its not going to improve is it.
There is a problem with discipline at Hull, I dunno how anyone could say there isn't, but I suppose it depends how you define a "problem", it doesn't seem to be hurting them too much.
Taking Leigh out of the equation Hull are doing roughly one extra penalty a game than everybody else, so its not ridiculous, just high comparatively.
Look at Catalans, complete penalty dingbats for as long as I can remember, this season bottom of the stats but it hasn't helped them any.
That card count say's a lot more about the team priorities than any faffing about at tpob, sorting that out will have more of an impact than a few extra conceded penalties over the season.

Stats can be interpreted to back up many arguments, but I honestly don't believe that these particular stats show that we have discipline issues.
Look at Catalans, they are now 6th in the penalty count, not bottom as you were arguing yesterday. And our stats aren't as "bad" now compared to other teams, now that the figures have been updated.

Manu charged with Grade C.

Grade C Dangerous Contact. EGP not available so if found guilty he'll miss 2-3 games which would be Widnes, Catalans (Cup) and possibly Saints at the Magic Weekend.

Would the tonga game count as well as Widnes?

One moment of ill discipline has cost him the chance to captain his country

I would doubt that he can count two games on the same weekend taking places on two different continents.

Like your style. Worth asking

They are two different games though. IF the situation was different and it was a one game ban, surely there would be an argument to say he misses the Saturday game but can play the Sunday game. I don't see why them being on one weekend matters, the easter weekend games count as two.

best of luck with that then



I'm not arguing I'm trying without being a to point out the blatantly obvious, Hull still have 8 cards, they are still top of the penalty count bar Leigh, Wire are 4th from bottom with a p count of 89.
Catalans, Shudds, Saints, Wire, it hardly matters, they all have superior penalty counts despite being at the bottom end of the table, my point was and is still valid, nothing has changed, but then you knew that before you posted.
I can see why Leigh could concede the penalties they have and cop the cards they have, 1st season in SL, they're struggling somewhat to compete at times on varying levels, there'll be a fair bit of frustration rolled in to that, What's Hulls excuse, why would a top of the table club have a similar penalty count of a bottom of the table club.
I'm not drawing anymore pictures, that's it.

Don't think anyone can argue with 2/3 matchs, luckily he didn't injure Atkins as it would have been a lot more.

Hull's penalty count is currently 0.7 penalties per game higher than the average. Hardly earth shattering.

Not much worse than Wakefield, for example, who also have a higher than average penalty count.

Exactly.

leeds (who won back to back to back) titles with the highest penalty count during one of those seasons

Have a look at Mark Percival's tackle on , I think , Ryan Hampshire. It's at 21.37 on the Beeb's Super League show. There was no penalty on the field. There was a tackle by Percival referred by the match review panel , ON 483/17 on the RFL Disciplinary section although that one shows the victim to be Higson and looks to be later than the incident I'm referring to and it implies a penalty was given. There was no charge for the one referred although it was accepted that the player made contact with the jaw and a penalty was sufficient. The referee and linesmen must have missed the first one but what's the excuse for the match review panel? It was a swinging arm which made contact with the head. Percival scored a try and made another possibly during a time when he should have been in the bin or , using the Watts case logic , he should have been red carded. Looks to me like the only difference is that Hampshire wasn't injured and didn't make a fuss but Percival looks to have had two incidents in one game and received no charge and only one penalty. His disciplinary record and that of Saints are effectively unaffected. Yes we've got to be smarter but under this regime it's a lottery.

We are a very aggressive, physical team, and when you tread the line like that you are always going to concede a fair amount of penalties. It comes with the territory. I dont have stats to back it up but I'm pretty sure sucessful teams of the past have never conceded the fewest penalties. If we had the choice between conceding less penalties and being the most aggressive, intimidating team in the league I would choose the latter, every time. Maybe if the likes of Wire and Saints were a bit more willing to get their hands dirty they might be a bit further up the table. What I dont want to see however is players stepping over the line like Manu last week, thats indefensible.

Good post

Manu suspended for 2 games.

Although this is going back a few year, circa 2000-2003 ish, When Mal Reilly was coach of Huddersfield, he drilled the players into making as few errors as possible. Such was Mal's standing in the game (and that his was still a fairly handy lad) The Hudds players rarely threw the ball about in fear of getting on Reilly's bad side.

Hudds finished the season with the fewest handling errors and bottom of the league!.

Similar situation.