Had another decent game today,also brings something to the party in defence also.

The wind was so strong today that on one Oldham kick off they caught the ball direct from their kick off in their own half, now I thought it was just football that the flight of the ball is always live and in rugby it's the landing , I'd ask on our board folks but it's tumbleweed these days.

irrc a game we played a couple of seasons ago, cant remember the oppostion, the wind was so strong that when we kicked off from a restart, the ball went past the 10m but the wind held it up and we regathered, the ball doesnt have to land just as long as it passes the 10m mark

Thanks no6 cleared it up, thought it must be the case as it happened twice, just the refs at this level craaaaaazzzzyy

Should have been MOM today scored a good try and is like having another forward needs to work on his kicking though

Played well yesterday, interesting to hear Tim Sheen's appraisal of him that he has a good running game and has lot of 13 in his game. I wonder if he see's that as his eventual position? I know its something a few Hull fans have debated in the past.

I think he would be best suited as a 13, but Radford (And most teams to be fair), dont like to play a ball playing 13,

If we had a ball playing LF, it would take the pressure off Shaul and allow him to play his natural game

1:Shaul
6:Kelly
7:Sneyd
13:Abdul

He would have to improve his fitness (Which he seems have done this year) and his defence to play that role though.

I have major doubts he will be at Hull next year.

He won't play for us again . We should have kept him here .

I think its the right decision to let him go out on loan, as I don't think he would have got much game time this year at Hull, I'm not sure that Hull will want him back and if he will want to come back if he isn't likely to get gametime in 2018.

I think alot will depend on if Rovers get promoted or not.

There's no guarantee Kelly will be here next year.

The post match interview with TS went into this a bit as he was discussing how we have been playing Addy there who is a good ball player but lacks a bit of go forward and yesterday we went with Donaldson who has go forward but needs better ball playing skills. Sheen's certainly seemed to be an advocate of a ball playing 13.

Quite right. In any case if Abdul improves this year with the experience he's getting it wouldn't be a great idea to let a home grown player leave. Even if Kelly stays there is no reason why a spot couldn't be found for Abdul if his form justified it.

IMO I think he will be here next year. Looks like a good move by hull to let him.get good game time under his belt. Would have thought if we didn't want him just let him go this year.

It would be weird to extend someone's contract if you wanted to let them go. This arrangement works well for us. If he improves under Sheens and we need him for 2018 then we can keep him. If he is surplus then I'm sure we wouldn't stand in his way if another club wanted him.

In 2018 we could potentially be without Kelly with no other halfbacks coming through. We might also see Ellis retire leaving big boots to fill. Having a talented young 6/13 on the books can't hurt.

He has lost weight and seems fitter since coming to Rovers. I wonder why he did not do that when at FC?

Likewise Kelly at FC?

Finally maturing and realising what he need to do or he won't make it as a SL player, Radford hardly giving him any game time and loaning him out to a small club in the lower leagues. Would surely be enough to realise things have gone wrong.

No wonder Radford was the coach on the year.

Sh1tting himself that he might end up playing his whole career in the championship

I've thought for ages we need a ball playing 13 and Abdul fits the bill. We desperately need more creativity, but I suppose we need to see how Kelly goes this year, it might be the spark we need and can carry on as we are pack wise.

No offence, but that's why Sheens is coaching in the 2nd tier of British RL. He's a dinosaur. The games moved on.

No offence taken but Rafford seems to be using the Bradford playbook circa 2004, hardly seems the games moved on that much.

Think I'd take Sheen's view point over yours.

Surely the easiest solution, would be to improve Shaul as a pivot? as we only have
2 , most teams have 3 pivots.

Not only Shaul, but our passing speed & accuracy ,throughout the team ,needs a massive improvement -IMO..

Agree with Weaver, the focus should be on Shaul improving his handling.

Using the LF as a third pivot is a thing of the past really, and the position has evolved rightly or wrongly into a position that requires a big engine, a big defensive workload and driving the ball in when required. There are obvious examples knocking around of LF's who can be an extra pivot, but they also have those other requirements in their armoury, which I'm not sure Abdull has yet.

Cas are a prime example. They don't use the LF has a pivot and they have the best attack in the league right now. What they do use is a pivot out of fullback (as well as skilful forwards able to play at the line). Look at how Hardaker's handling and timing has improved in just an offseason and a couple of games. In 2015 in Leeds' treble year he assisted 6 times. Two games in for Cas and he's already at 4 assists. That's the sort of impact we need from Shaul.

But as you say Leeds won the treble with Hardaker playing as an off the shoulder supporting FB and Sinfield at 13. He was a great ball playing LF / 6

I hope he does come back next season and takes the 13 spot. Ellis must be due to retire, even he can't go on and on??? Mini too?