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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"Imo a lot of sides attack the right edge as the natural way of passing is right to left, it's harder to defend as players cut back in it leaves you trying to defend on your left shoulder, which again is weaker, but not going forward makes it even more difficult, should be defending tight on your inside man leaving the attacking winger unmarked then slide as the ball ships wide, if it reaches the winger on the touch line either push him in touch or bury him in the 3rd row of seats.'"
Easier said than done, and when you have burly and/or agile wingers (that's 99.9% of all of them) so 'burying' them or pushing them out doesnt work as often as you'd want.
Also the natural instinct takes over and time and again players get too drawn over even when to the fan/viewer it's almost obvious the inside defenders will stop the player scoring, resulting in the oft seen wingers walk in. Decision making is one of the biggest aspects of most things in life, sport or otherwise, teaching/coaching decisions away from a natural instinct to do something for a particular circumstance is very very difficult for most people, even more so in high stress situations were natural 'instinct' more often than not takes over.
There should also be no "weak" shoulder or one you favour most, that's what practise/drills are for until you're sick of them, you ought to be able to be confident and capable enough to tackle with either, it's easier than being equally good at passing both ways.
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| Pryce has got to up his game esp his defending. Would put Hadley on bench to. COYH
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| Quote ="hull2524"Pryce has got to up his game esp his defending. Would put Hadley on bench to. COYH'"
If Tumavave is fit, think he'll go straight into 6. Ellis and Mini will tighten the fringe defence up.
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| Cup fever kicking in, now I've finished work for weekend. See you all there
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| FOUR RETURN FOR SAINTS TRIP
Gareth Ellis, Mark Minichiello, Carlos Tuimavave and Jansin Turgut are all back in the Hull FC 19-man squad for this weekend’s game away against St Helens.
The Black and Whites travel to Langtree Park on Sunday (8th May), kick-off 4.30pm, for a Sixth Round clash against 12-time Challenge Cup winners Saints.
Captain Ellis returns from suspension whilst Minichiello, who missed out through injury last week despite being named in the squad to face Catalans Dragons, also comes back into the fold.
They will provide a much-needed boost for head coach Lee Radford, who is without Frank Pritchard and Sika Manu. Both back-rowers are away on international duty.
Carlos Tuimavave could make his first appearance since Hull’s 17-16 away win against Saints in April, having overcome a groin injury, whilst youngster Jansin Turgut is also included.
Dean Hadley is the other change from last week’s squad, with the Hull-born second-row forward coming into the side at the last minute against Catalans to replace Minichiello.
HULL FC: Bowden, Ellis, Fonua, Green, Hadley, Houghton, Minichiello, Naughton, Pryce, Shaul, Sneyd, Talanoa, Taylor, Thompson, Tuimavave, Turgut, Washbrook, Watts, Yeaman.
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| Saints:
1. Jonny Lomax, 4. Mark Percival, 7. Luke Walsh, 8. Alex Walmsley, 9. James Roby, 10. Kyle Amor, 11. Atelea Vea, 12. Jon Wilkin, 13. Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook, 14. Lama Tasi, 15. Greg Richards, 18. Dominque Peyroux, 19. Theo Fages, 20. Joe Greenwood, 21. Matty Dawson, 22. Jack Owens, 23. Shannon McDonnell, 27. Jack Ashworth, 28. Morgan Knowles.
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| Hope Owens plays & we pepper him, no Turner or Swift.
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"Hope Owens plays & we pepper him, no Turner or Swift.'"
turner always seems to score against us, so thats a plus
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| Quote ="number 6"turner always seems to score against us, so thats a plus'"
I don't rate him, wish he was playing tbf, got to stop fages he's a nippy player who plays at the line a tired defenders nightmare, I'm sure we've done our homework though, Owens is the weak spot out wide.
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| OT I hope John Kear doesn't swear at any referees decisions! I bet his fingers will be off like the clappers!
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| Quote ="Dave K."Assuming no injury worries this would be my side
Shaul
Naughton
Fonua
Yeaman
Talanoa
Pryce
Sneyd
Watts
Houghton
Taylor
Mini
Ellis
Washbrook
Green
Bowden
Carlos T
Thompson'"
Spot on apart from Tuimavave
Dean Hadley will definately be in the 17.Expect he will be on the bench with Thompson
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| Lomax has looked very hungry and will be a danger, Turner offers as much if not more than any of our current centres do though he's been playing LF and even stand-off. I disagree with those not ''rating' him, he'd get into our 17 no problem.
If we play to our strengths with the determination and skill we've shown of late we'll win but it's going to be a very close hard fought game whichever way it goes.
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Lomax has looked very hungry and will be a danger, Turner offers as much if not more than any of our current centres do though he's been playing LF and even stand-off. I disagree with those not ''rating' him, he'd get into our 17 no problem.
If we play to our strengths with the determination and skill we've shown of late we'll win but it's going to be a very close hard fought game whichever way it goes.'"
Turner is average, plays well against lower teams, but gets found out against better sides.
That good, he is currently dropped and playing reserves.
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| Quote ="bonaire"Spot on apart from Tuimavave
Dean Hadley will definately be in the 17.Expect he will be on the bench with Thompson'"
We'll see. You said he'd be our regular loose forward this season.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Turner is average, plays well against lower teams, but gets found out against better sides.
That good, he is currently dropped and playing reserves.'" dropped for one bad game, yeah that makes him carp. He's played 10 out of Saints 13 SL games and named in the 19 squad for this weekend and last. He's played in three different positions to cover but yeah he must be carp.
Your point has holes all over it.
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Quote '" Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"dropped for one bad game, yeah that makes him carp. He's played 10 out of Saints 13 SL games and named in the 19 squad for this weekend and last. He's played in three different positions to cover but yeah he must be carp.
Your point has holes all over it.'"
Did I say he was crap or carp?
I'm not judging him just on this season, I'm judging him on his career where he has not been consistent enough or performed well enough in big games to be anything other than average.
This saints team is the worst since they have been in SL and he can't get into the side over players like Dawson.
I wonder what the Saints fans think of him, have a look if you want.
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=594643
Is that good enough to fill your holes?
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Quote '" Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"dropped for one bad game, yeah that makes him carp. He's played 10 out of Saints 13 SL games and named in the 19 squad for this weekend and last. He's played in three different positions to cover but yeah he must be carp.
Your point has holes all over it.'"
Did I say he was crap or carp?
I'm not judging him just on this season, I'm judging him on his career where he has not been consistent enough or performed well enough in big games to be anything other than average.
This saints team is the worst since they have been in SL and he can't get into the side over players like Dawson.
I wonder what the Saints fans think of him, have a look if you want.
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=594643
Is that good enough to fill your holes?
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"dropped for one bad game, yeah that makes him carp. He's played 10 out of Saints 13 SL games and named in the 19 squad for this weekend and last. He's played in three different positions to cover but yeah he must be carp.
Your point has holes all over it.'"
Turner isn't in the squad, shows what you know pal, he is very poor defensively & offensively ask saints fans as they watch him weekly, or at least when he's in the squad.
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| Haha..shows what you know...Turner WAS named in the initial 19 man squad "The only change to the 19-man squad is Jack Ashworth coming in for Jordan Turner, who played in the reserves last night"
"At least when he's in the squad", oh dear, making a complete fool of yourself..as I wrote above he's played in 10 of Saints 13 SL games and being in the 19 squad at other times...bother reading why don't you!
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Haha..shows what you know...Turner WAS named in the initial 19 man squad "The only change to the 19-man squad is Jack Ashworth coming in for Jordan Turner, who played in the reserves last night"
"At least when he's in the squad", oh dear, making a complete fool of yourself..as I wrote above he's played in 10 of Saints 13 SL games and being in the 19 squad at other times...bother reading why don't you!'"
When was this then? As he wasn't in the team on Friday look at page 4 of this thread & the super league web page. But you know best eh? He's a poor player who I wish was playing as he would be a target in defence, he has been dropped to play in the reserves because he's that good. Get real bumpy.
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Poor old bumpy, his usual abrasive self.
Turner was never in this weekend's squad.
www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/5945
Quote Jack Ashworth is recalled in the only change from last week's squad.'"
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Turner was never in this weekend's squad.
www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/5945
Quote Jack Ashworth is recalled in the only change from last week's squad.'"
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"Are you sure saints haven't got it wrong?
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