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| He'll never resign , he will have to be forced out.
Radders knows that there are only 12 SL Head coach jobs , and he wont easily relinquish the one he has.
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| Quote ="K-Diddy"They win 1 game out of the 4 he's been in charge so far? Cracking return!'"
Yes, I can see you really understand the situation your team is in.
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"As soon as that Gwilym bloke starts mentioning individual players Radford should offer no-comment.
He got sucked in by someone who appears (to somebody who rarely hears his interviews) to dislike Mr Radford or the Hull club per se?'"
And sound like someone being interview by the police?
With the negativity and persecution complex you show I doubt even the Devil would want you as an advocate.
“Him” has a much better response *I know it's easy to come up with things to say after the event but then part of his job is to make the right comments at the right time. He should've said something along the lines of: "No Jordan didn't have his best game today. He struggled with <insert skill/part of the game here> all game but he's a great young prospect with massive potential if he works hard enough and he'll come back stronger next week.””
Man management is an important part of a coaches role and LR demonstrates his lack in this area every time he opens his mouth.
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| Thought it was really poor from him not to defend or deflect the loaded question Lloyd put to him. As has been said a simple 'not picking on individuals, as a team we weren't good enough' or some other soundbite would have sufficed. Instead he hung him out to dry.
I listened to his prematch last night and he was asked if being out of the 8 added pressure. He replied along the lines of 'it does and especially as it was in such a controversial manner'. Not sure if I missed something but what controversy is he on about or has he just constructed a parallel universe where the world is against him .
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| Quote ="Keiththered"And sound like someone being interview by the police?
With the negativity and persecution complex you show I doubt even the Devil would want you as an advocate.
“Him” has a much better response *I know it's easy to come up with things to say after the event but then part of his job is to make the right comments at the right time. He should've said something along the lines of: "No Jordan didn't have his best game today. He struggled with <insert skill/part of the game here> all game but he's a great young prospect with massive potential if he works hard enough and he'll come back stronger next week.””
Man management is an important part of a coaches role and LR demonstrates his lack in this area every time he opens his mouth.'"
It depends how it's done. You're right that only saying 'no comment' would sound odd, and probably defensive. However, if we/he had a consistent policy of not into the nitty-gritty about individual player performances, it would be easier for him to answer such a question with a reasonably friendly 'you know I don't like to comment on players individually, Gwilym, we win and lose as a team and today we collectively weren't good enough.' Such an approach doesn't exclude the occasional acknowledgement of an excellent performance, but it does give you a bit of an out for the awkward times.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"It depends how it's done. You're right that only saying 'no comment' would sound odd, and probably defensive. However, if we/he had a consistent policy of not into the nitty-gritty about individual player performances, it would be easier for him to answer such a question with a reasonably friendly 'you know I don't like to comment on players individually, Gwilym, we win and lose as a team and today we collectively weren't good enough.' Such an approach doesn't exclude the occasional acknowledgement of an excellent performance, but it does give you a bit of an out for the awkward times.'"
Yes, you are right, there are many ways of deflecting questions. LR should know he will receive them and should therefore prepare his basic response before hand just changing minor details to fit the actual question. As in many things however he does not seem to be able to learn from experience.
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| Quote ="Him"Unfortunately, most times I hear Radford make post-match comments he sounds like an inexperienced, naive coach thrown in to a head coach job too early.
There's nothing wrong with being an inexperienced coach, every head coach has been one in their life. But he just shouldn't be head coach in my opinion. He should be an assistant to an experienced head coach who he can learn from.
The comments about Abdul are evidence of this. Those comments aren't helpful to anyone. They don't help the club in the media, they don't buck the team up or challenge them, they don't encourage or challenge the player and they don't make the fans feel any better.
I know it's easy to come up with things to say after the event but then part of his job is to make the right comments at the right time. He should've said something along the lines of:
"No Jordan didn't have his best game today. He struggled with <insert skill/part of the game here> all game but he's a great young prospect with massive potential if he works hard enough and he'll come back stronger next week."
Personally, from an outsiders point of view, it seems a big failing of the management that Radford was appointed in the first place but also that he's been kept on. He obviously isn't ready for it yet. Bring in an experienced Head Coach and demote Radford down to assistant for say 4/5 years, then bring him back.'"
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| Quote ="Keiththered"icon_wink.gif Yes, you are right, there are many ways of deflecting questions. LR should know he will receive them and should therefore prepare his basic response before hand just changing minor details to fit the actual question. As in many things however he does not seem to be able to learn from experience.'"
The thing is, I don't even think this situation is one that should require experience, just common sense. I've never coached any sport at any level and I'm younger than Radford, but I've heard more than enough post-match interviews to realise how the best handle them. Even if he'd just taken a few seconds and thought 'how would I have liked my coach to do with this if it was me?'. It's only last week he was saying what a good lad Abdull is off the field, so it's not like he's a bad lad who needs scolding. He's apparently everything Radford wishes all the young players could be, and he shafted him a bit IMO. That's not a very nice way to repay him.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"The thing is, I don't even think this situation is one that should require experience, just common sense. I've never coached any sport at any level and I'm younger than Radford, but I've heard more than enough post-match interviews to realise how the best handle them. Even if he'd just taken a few seconds and thought 'how would I have liked my coach to do with this if it was me?'. It's only last week he was saying what a good lad Abdull is off the field, so it's not like he's a bad lad who needs scolding. He's apparently everything Radford wishes all the young players could be, and he shafted him a bit IMO. That's not a very nice way to repay him.'"
TBH I think its Radfords lack of man management skills and his attitude for me that one of the biggest issues we have. Its painfully obvious that what ever message he is giving is either not being received in the way its needs to be by the players or the players are bucking against what he is saying?
His treatment in the media of the younger players and future of the club is poor and no wonder we are seeing them leave the club.
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| He didn't comment when asked specifically about Abdull which was the right thing to do. Had he not been asked specifically he wouldn't have said anything voluntarily. I suspect he would have reacted similarly had he been asked about anyone in the team if they had performed as poorly as Abdull did.
Abdull is young but overweight and playing out of position. He is also in receipt of a full time paid professional contract. It's not a bloody kindergarten although at times 3 year olds would be better at handling the ball than all of our lot. There's much wrong with everything but trying to find fault in a no comment when a specific question was asked about a specific player is missing the point completely.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"He didn't comment when asked specifically about Abdull which was the right thing to do. Had he not been asked specifically he wouldn't have said anything voluntarily. I suspect he would have reacted similarly had he been asked about anyone in the team if they had performed as poorly as Abdull did.
Abdull is young but overweight and playing out of position. He is also in receipt of a full time paid professional contract. It's not a bloody kindergarten although at times 3 year olds would be better at handling the ball than all of our lot. There's much wrong with everything but trying to find fault in a no comment when a specific question was asked about a specific player is missing the point completely.
Abdull was garbage as were many others who turned out last night.'"
It was a loaded and difficult question, but he did answer it badly. As I've already said, he was right not to want to answer it, but unfortunately he essentially did. He said that he wouldn't publicly criticise Abdull, you can see for yourself, which confirms he thought he was s**t. He may not have been wrong about that, but it achieved the very thing he said he didn't want to do. It reflected our attack, a sloppy and ill-thought out error.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"It was a loaded and difficult question, but he did answer it badly. As I've already said, he was right not to want to answer it, but unfortunately he essentially did. He said that he wouldn't publicly criticise Abdull, you can see for yourself, which confirms he thought he was s**t. He may not have been wrong about that, but it achieved the very thing he said he didn't want to do. It reflected our attack, a sloppy and ill-thought out error.'"
Like I say he had no option but to do what he did. Maybe he should ask for a list of questions prior to the interview and spend an hour preparing.
If he goes tomorrow I'll shed no tears. But it's noticeable generally that the reaction to garbage such as that served up last night more often than not almost excludes any criticism about specific players. As in the case an argument has appeared that criticises the coach for his no comment about a player but avoids criticising the player himself. Just as with Westerman last week Abdull deserves a heap of criticism for failing in any way shape or form to even attempt to influence the game. You can add Rankin to that as his woeful HB partner as well as pathetic performances from Sa, Yeaman, Shaul and some others. Westerman went missing after 20 mins along with most others.
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| I will merely repeat what I said after Friday's fiasco:
"For me, the problem is (and always was going to be from the moment he was appointed) Radford has no idea how to manage his men.
They have the skill and the know-how. We know that because they have demonstrated that at times this season. We are falling down because of attitude, disgruntlement and personal dissatisfaction, imo. That is purely down to Radford's handling of them on a personal level."
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RADFORD HOPING FOR REACTION AFTER WAKEFIELD DEFEAT: bit.ly/1LJP5Uy
A nothing article from a coach clearly stabbing in the dark.
Here is my predication for Sunday. We'll win. Probably easily. But it's only because the players feel that this is another "make it up" game. There is no consistency.
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A nothing article from a coach clearly stabbing in the dark.
Here is my predication for Sunday. We'll win. Probably easily. But it's only because the players feel that this is another "make it up" game. There is no consistency.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Like I say he had no option but to do what he did. Maybe he should ask for a list of questions prior to the interview and spend an hour preparing.'"
Yes he did. He could have said 'I'm not going to comment on individual players', rather than 'I'm not going to criticise'. The latter confirms that he thought Abdull was poor by saying that if he did comment it would be to criticise.
It probably wasn't malicious and it isn't the biggest concern to come out of the game, but it was an error.
Quote ="Staffs FC"If he goes tomorrow I'll shed no tears. But it's noticeable generally that the reaction to garbage such as that served up last night more often than not almost excludes any criticism about specific players. As in the case an argument has appeared that criticises the coach for his no comment about a player but avoids criticising the player himself. Just as with Westerman last week Abdull deserves a heap of criticism for failing in any way shape or form to even attempt to influence the game. You can add Rankin to that as his woeful HB partner as well as pathetic performances from Sa, Yeaman, Shaul and some others. Westerman went missing after 20 mins along with most others.'"
As is so often the case with Hull and happens across all sport, I suspect it's probably down to the fact that when so many players perform poorly all at once it's hard to know where to start, and thoughts naturally turn to what is seen as the common denominator, the coach. It's like if one schoolchild misbehaves and doesn't learn, people complain about the child, if it's half the class or more the teacher comes under scrutiny. Doesn't mean the kids are blame-free, but the bottom line is that the teacher is there precisely to help prevent that from happening.
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| Quote ="WormInHand"I will merely repeat what I said after Friday's fiasco:
"For me, the problem is (and always was going to be from the moment he was appointed) Radford has no idea how to manage his men.
They have the skill and the know-how. We know that because they have demonstrated that at times this season. We are falling down because of attitude, disgruntlement and personal dissatisfaction, imo. That is purely down to Radford's handling of them on a personal level."'"
I agree with all of that.
Abdul is a nineteen year old kid just making his way in a tough adult environment who probably knows how poorly he performed and his confidence could have taken a knock as a result.
Its Radfords fault if he is overweight and played out of position as they're decisions he can effect.
The no comment interview reaffirms the initial question and compounds the fact with no defence or excuse offered and no protection for Abdul.
Radford should acknowledge the fact he had a bad game but offer out the answer in the form of what I've heard called a sh I t sandwich when dealing with poor performance.
Start with a positive address the negative but then finish on a positive.
Its called basic man management skills which would do wonders in the media for the fans and in particular the player.
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| Quote ="Him"Unfortunately, most times I hear Radford make post-match comments he sounds like an inexperienced, naive coach thrown in to a head coach job too early.
There's nothing wrong with being an inexperienced coach, every head coach has been one in their life. But he just shouldn't be head coach in my opinion. He should be an assistant to an experienced head coach who he can learn from.
The comments about Abdul are evidence of this. Those comments aren't helpful to anyone. They don't help the club in the media, they don't buck the team up or challenge them, they don't encourage or challenge the player and they don't make the fans feel any better.
I know it's easy to come up with things to say after the event but then part of his job is to make the right comments at the right time. He should've said something along the lines of:
"No Jordan didn't have his best game today. He struggled with <insert skill/part of the game here> all game but he's a great young prospect with massive potential if he works hard enough and he'll come back stronger next week."
Personally, from an outsiders point of view, it seems a big failing of the management that Radford was appointed in the first place but also that he's been kept on. He obviously isn't ready for it yet. Bring in an experienced Head Coach and demote Radford down to assistant for say 4/5 years, then bring him back.'"
Stupid post.
What we want to do is extend his contract and merge the youth teams.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Yes he did. He could have said 'I'm not going to comment on individual players', rather than 'I'm not going to criticise'. The latter confirms that he thought Abdull was poor by saying that if he did comment it would be to criticise.
It probably wasn't malicious and it isn't the biggest concern to come out of the game, but it was an error.
As is so often the case with Hull and happens across all sport, I suspect it's probably down to the fact that when so many players perform poorly all at once it's hard to know where to start, and thoughts naturally turn to what is seen as the common denominator, the coach. It's like if one schoolchild misbehaves and doesn't learn, people complain about the child, if it's half the class or more the teacher comes under scrutiny. Doesn't mean the kids are blame-free, but the bottom line is that the teacher is there precisely to help prevent that from happening.'"
In this particular case someone found a poor reason to criticise the teacher by effectively being outraged on the very poorly performing child's behalf. This does actually mirror society a bit as we are becoming a nation permanently outraged on behalf of others.
It was just another stick to beat Radford with which is bizarre as there's a forest full of bigger ones after last night.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"In this particular case someone found a poor reason to criticise the teacher by effectively being outraged on the very poorly performing child's behalf. This does actually mirror society a bit as we are becoming a nation permanently outraged on behalf of others.
It was just another stick to beat Radford with which is bizarre as there's a forest full of bigger ones after last night.'"
You and I appear to have quite different views on what constitutes being outraged. To me, this thread just has people saying that Radford made a mistake, handled the question badly, and it's perhaps indicative of a lack of man-management skills. Plus you suggesting he had no choice.
You're right that there are plenty of other sticks with which to beat Radford, but I don't understand why you think it matters which sticks people choose or even seem to want to pretend that people are creating this one. It might be a relatively small point, but it is a valid one.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"You and I appear to have quite different views on what constitutes being outraged. To me, this thread just has people saying that Radford made a mistake, handled the question badly, and it's perhaps indicative of a lack of man-management skills. Plus you suggesting he had no choice.
You're right that there are plenty of other sticks with which to beat Radford, but I don't understand why you think it matters which sticks people choose or even seem to want to pretend that people are creating this one. It might be a relatively small point, but it is a valid one.'"
"The comments by Radford were poor"
"I wouldn't fancy him as my boss"
It's because I don't think it's valid point at all. I would actually praise Radford for not criticising Abdull having been given a direct prompt to do so. In other words I actually think he handled it well when asked a specific question. That's where you and me differ. Not sure I can put it any clearer than that.
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"I wouldn't fancy him as my boss"
It's because I don't think it's valid point at all. I would actually praise Radford for not criticising Abdull having been given a direct prompt to do so. In other words I actually think he handled it well when asked a specific question. That's where you and me differ. Not sure I can put it any clearer than that.'"
Not even close to outrage, IMO, merely observations.
I also don't think the fact that it could have been worse means he handled it well and is worthy of praise, either.
We'll agree to differ.
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