I think that, while Cas undoubtedly produce a good number of good players, their reputation slightly exceeds reality. Every kid that comes through there seems to be regarded as the next big thing. So even if they do well, like Shenton or Westerman, that they don't quite live up to the initial hype means they're perceived almost to have failed. Daryl Clarke not immediately ripping it up for Wire is another one.

Well said!

Supporters player of the year last year, 'some' supporters scapegoat this year.

Some Hull fans, summed up.

Spot on and not exclusive to Westy. With some "fans" you're either a jewel or a turd. There's no in between.

Westerman deserves the criticism he has received for his performance on Friday. When playing a team like leeds you don't get many chances and if you have a player routinely making error after error in attacking positions and bombing opportunities then it's virtually impossible to win. Might as well not bother getting into those positions at all if that's the end result.

Like I said at least he got on those positions what about pryce who did what he's done against leeds for the last decade and hid all game

pryce was one of our better players till the last few games, has gone of the boil though

"At least he got into those positions" might be ok at amateur level but not at the top level. Not sure what pryce had to do with westermans unacceptable performance. Pryce has been below par for a couple of weeks and doesn't look fit. Good player though just ask campese who's still paying his loan off for the dummy he bought off Leon.

'At least he got in to those positions' at least shows he didn't go in to hiding, like others.

Pryce can't live off 'that' dummy for the rest of the year, it was 5 games ago ffs.

till a few games ago pryce was a very good signing,last few not so good

With the exception of 2/3 players this can be said about the whole team the last few weeks.

Until we respect the ball more we will continue to struggle.
If we had reduced our errors by 30% the last 3 games we would have won all 3 IMO.

very true, but pryce seems to be the new whipping boy

Pryce is carrying a knock from what I can gather.

Then why play him, could play Shaul at FB and Rankin at 6.

Radford makes some weird decisions.

He deserves people saying that he's never been any good and we should immediately sell him and replace him with Abdul?

Westermans an average super league player, he was the best of a very bad bunch last season. Think its time people realised hes not reaching this so called potential

What happened there? First 5-10 minutes it looked good, then it just went to pot and he then seemed to disappear for a long spell.

Westerman was awful. Agree with others about credit for keep trying, but also that he should have been taken off, had a mare.

Agreed.

Fair comment. Him and Watts are still the only players I can think of to put on the shortlist for Minichiello's player of the year award, though, so it's hard to rip into him ahead of others IMO.

No - he deserves the criticism he has received for his performance on Friday. Hardly a confusing statement surely ?

But the bulk of the criticism he has received for his performance on Friday has been along the lines of the summary I posted - i.e. completely OTT.

Westerman is a victim of hype, we openly said we'd paid a substantial fee and he was going to be a great addition to the side. He's proven to be another average SL playuer, problem is so has everyone else we've signed in recent memory, the best players to have moved in terms of FC have predominantly left, it's unfortunate but true.

Most players in SL are, by definition, average. Westerman has at least managed an England call-up in recent memory, which makes him above average.

But my post said that he deserved the criticism he received for his performance on Friday. Clearly that wouldn't involve criticism about him 'never being any good' etc. - just the criticism specifically about the game on Friday. In the same way that if he has a blinder on Wednesday (and let's hope he does - he owes the team one) then I'll be on here singing his praises about that game. I won't suddenly be praising him about Friday though.

getting selected by MacNamara for an already poor side??

I don't buy into all this "international" guff, what has he won.....nothing.

Westerman fully deserved his call up last year after being given a suitable role in the team at Hull. He's been a way off that standard this year with injury a contributing factor.