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| Quote ="oldmanbarlow"from the 80s, how about ronnie wileman, if only for breaking millwards jaw at wembley?'"
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i don't comment much on the threads leaving it up to you guys but another worth a mention in my time of watching was keith bridges. they didn't come more old school either in looks or style but keith was instrumental in winning ball out of contested scrums and was a key member of the league winning team in 1982/3. always remember him scoring a try in televised cup game at the boulevard and he scored so few he almost didn't know what to do when he got the ball about 5 metres out.
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Lee Jackson was one of my favourite players and very good. Swain was an outstanding genuinely world class player. Berrigan had some tremendous games at 9 but typically spent most of his Hull career playing anywhere but there, his best position, and so has to be ruled out more thanks to his coach than himself. Having said that one player who was before my time stands out a mile. Tommy Harris has more Great Britain appearances as a Hull player than anyone else, won a Lance Todd Trophy on a losing team and clocked up over 400 appearances. By all accounts he was the original game changer of being a mobile, skilful hooker who could more than hold his own in open play. In those days hookers were first and foremost ball winners and that was all a lot of them could do. As a youngster I often heard the old timers commenting on any new number 9s that were speedy and skilful hoping that they would become the next Tommy Harris - basically he was the gold standard against which others were judged. He basically has it all, a long career, a great career as evidenced by his better than any other Hull player's representative record and that he was a genuine innovator as to how the position was played, Lee Jackson - much as I admire him came 30 years late on that. So for me Tommy Harris should be a certainty.
I would also like to put in a good word for Ronnie Wileman though, not for breaking Millward's jaw which frankly is nothing to celebrate at all but rather shameful, but for making a mug of Fairbairn in the JPS final and I also remember him embarrassing Georgina when he was playing for Wigan and Ronnie scored from near half way easily beating the soon to be world's most expensive player.
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Richard swain was terrific,clear winner for me.
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Harris, end of story, sorry but whilst Jackson is an old school-mate and I loved watching him coming up through the ranks into being a GB rep and playing for Sydney & Newcastle and winning the GF he just didnt have the presence and overall impact that Harris had on the Hull or even GB team and considered a 'great' by many.
Even amongst that magical team of Bomber's era he was a stand out, developing the role of the hooker into what we recognise today whilst still being a crafty ball winner in the scrum a great tackler, tenacious and great at backing up breaks, he had it all. Going on to be the most capped GB hooker (if we forget the 'plastic tests' that Roby has played in) he has half as many again GB caps over a longer period than Jackson did AND won a World Cup plus 3 Ashes series, being on the winning side against Australia in 6 out of his 10 tests against them. I would classify Harris as GB's greatest ever hooker but that's my opinion.
Harris only started playing RL at the grand age of 22, was sensational in his trial match and quickly followed up by his debut the following month.
With 443 matches, 56 tries and 2 championship winners medals he's one of Hull FC greatest ever players from home or abroad.
Jackson is deffo up there for inclusion in the short-list, he was fantastic for us, Swain, great work ethic, amazing tackler and leader, he probably just eclipses Jacko in overall contribution but Percival Thomas 'Bomber' Harris, is THE definitive hooker of any era, for me there is no doubt in the slightest and if there is any justice in voting on work ethic, skillset, contribution not only to the club but to the game internationally then Harris MUST be voted as our hooking option.
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Harris, end of story, sorry but whilst Jackson is an old school-mate and I loved watching him coming up through the ranks into being a GB rep and playing for Sydney & Newcastle and winning the GF he just didnt have the presence and overall impact that Harris had on the Hull or even GB team and considered a 'great' by many.
Even amongst that magical team of Bomber's era he was a stand out, developing the role of the hooker into what we recognise today whilst still being a crafty ball winner in the scrum a great tackler, tenacious and great at backing up breaks, he had it all. Going on to be the most capped GB hooker (if we forget the 'plastic tests' that Roby has played in) he has half as many again GB caps over a longer period than Jackson did AND won a World Cup plus 3 Ashes series, being on the winning side against Australia in 6 out of his 10 tests against them. I would classify Harris as GB's greatest ever hooker but that's my opinion.
Harris only started playing RL at the grand age of 22, was sensational in his trial match and quickly followed up by his debut the following month.
With 443 matches, 56 tries and 2 championship winners medals he's one of Hull FC greatest ever players from home or abroad.
Jackson is deffo up there for inclusion in the short-list, he was fantastic for us, Swain, great work ethic, amazing tackler and leader, he probably just eclipses Jacko in overall contribution but Percival Thomas 'Bomber' Harris, is THE definitive hooker of any era, for me there is no doubt in the slightest and if there is any justice in voting on work ethic, skillset, contribution not only to the club but to the game internationally then Harris MUST be voted as our hooking option.
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Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Harris, end of story, sorry but whilst Jackson is an old school-mate and I loved watching him coming up through the ranks into being a GB rep and playing for Sydney & Newcastle and winning the GF he just didnt have the presence and overall impact that Harris had on the Hull or even GB team and considered a 'great' by many.
Even amongst that magical team of Bomber's era he was a stand out, developing the role of the hooker into what we recognise today whilst still being a crafty ball winner in the scrum a great tackler, tenacious and great at backing up breaks, he had it all. Going on to be the most capped GB hooker (if we forget the 'plastic tests' that Roby has played in) he has half as many again GB caps over a longer period than Jackson did AND won a World Cup plus 3 Ashes series, being on the winning side against Australia in 6 out of his 10 tests against them. I would classify Harris as GB's greatest ever hooker but that's my opinion.
Harris only started playing RL at the grand age of 22, was sensational in his trial match and quickly followed up by his debut the following month.
With 443 matches, 56 tries and 2 championship winners medals he's one of Hull FC greatest ever players from home or abroad.
Jackson is deffo up there for inclusion in the short-list, he was fantastic for us, Swain, great work ethic, amazing tackler and leader, he probably just eclipses Jacko in overall contribution but Percival Thomas 'Bomber' Harris, is THE definitive hooker of any era, for me there is no doubt in the slightest and if there is any justice in voting on work ethic, skillset, contribution not only to the club but to the game internationally then Harris MUST be voted as our hooking option.
Nice obituary in the YP, www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/com ... -1-2393243'"
Not a lot to add to that re Tommy Harris except to say he is in my top 3 of all players I have seen play for the club having watched him since he began at Hull.
Perhaps his greatest game was in the 1960 Wembley final when he went into the match with a niggling shoulder injury which finally forced him from the field with over 15 minutes to play, having left the field concussed earlier in the match. His ovation from all the crowd as he walked back to the dressing room was something that will always be a great memory for me. His superb play and great courage justified the Lance Todd trophy even though Hull were hammered by Wakefield.
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Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Harris, end of story, sorry but whilst Jackson is an old school-mate and I loved watching him coming up through the ranks into being a GB rep and playing for Sydney & Newcastle and winning the GF he just didnt have the presence and overall impact that Harris had on the Hull or even GB team and considered a 'great' by many.
Even amongst that magical team of Bomber's era he was a stand out, developing the role of the hooker into what we recognise today whilst still being a crafty ball winner in the scrum a great tackler, tenacious and great at backing up breaks, he had it all. Going on to be the most capped GB hooker (if we forget the 'plastic tests' that Roby has played in) he has half as many again GB caps over a longer period than Jackson did AND won a World Cup plus 3 Ashes series, being on the winning side against Australia in 6 out of his 10 tests against them. I would classify Harris as GB's greatest ever hooker but that's my opinion.
Harris only started playing RL at the grand age of 22, was sensational in his trial match and quickly followed up by his debut the following month.
With 443 matches, 56 tries and 2 championship winners medals he's one of Hull FC greatest ever players from home or abroad.
Jackson is deffo up there for inclusion in the short-list, he was fantastic for us, Swain, great work ethic, amazing tackler and leader, he probably just eclipses Jacko in overall contribution but Percival Thomas 'Bomber' Harris, is THE definitive hooker of any era, for me there is no doubt in the slightest and if there is any justice in voting on work ethic, skillset, contribution not only to the club but to the game internationally then Harris MUST be voted as our hooking option.
Nice obituary in the YP, www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/com ... -1-2393243'"
Not a lot to add to that re Tommy Harris except to say he is in my top 3 of all players I have seen play for the club having watched him since he began at Hull.
Perhaps his greatest game was in the 1960 Wembley final when he went into the match with a niggling shoulder injury which finally forced him from the field with over 15 minutes to play, having left the field concussed earlier in the match. His ovation from all the crowd as he walked back to the dressing room was something that will always be a great memory for me. His superb play and great courage justified the Lance Todd trophy even though Hull were hammered by Wakefield.
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Ronnie Wileman and Dean Treister in 2nd and 3rd places to Richard Swain (although how often did Swain actually get played at hooker, rather than in the halves?)
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| Quote ="London FC Fan"Ronnie Wileman and Dean Treister in 2nd and 3rd places to Richard Swain (although how often did Swain actually get played at hooker, rather than in the halves?)'"
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| Quote ="London FC Fan"Ronnie Wileman and Dean Treister in 2nd and 3rd places to Richard Swain (although how often did Swain actually get played at hooker, rather than in the halves?)'"
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Swain never started in the halves for us. Not even once.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"Eh?
Swain never started in the halves for us. Not even once.
As for Treister, he was great, but he barely played half a season. 3rd all time is ridiculous.'"
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When voting for the all time greatest team over a span of 150 years, I find it bordering on the ridiculous that some are suggesting a player in Dean Treister, who spent just half a season in a Hull shirt.
Tommy Harris was before my time, but his stats and reputation stand up to anyone elses
Lee Jackson was tremendous for Hull but left under cloud.
But of all all the players I have seen, Richard Swain would be the one I would say not only gave everything whilst on the pitch, what he gave was of the highest quality and he inspired others with his leadership.
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| Quote ="fc baldy"Swain never played in the halfs,you getting mixed up with Berrigan?'"
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| Quote ="fc baldy"I'd have Harris,Wileman,Patrick,Dixon ahead of Treister and if we want to put players in like that then how about Lee and Godwin.'"
Forgot about Mike Dixon tbh, always enjoyed watching him play. His turn of pace at times was electrifying, remember him going around Graham Steadman like he wasn't there. I agree about Treister, how on earth he's getting a place in anyone's top 3 is baffling.
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| Quote ="Smiggs"Forgot about Mike Dixon tbh, always enjoyed watching him play. His turn of pace at times was electrifying, remember him going around Graham Steadman like he wasn't there. I agree about Treister, how on earth he's getting a place in anyone's top 3 is baffling.
Who was the hooker we got that came from Gateshead, he wasn't a bad player.'"
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Dixon or swain for me...closely followed by jackson
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| Quote ="Errlee Berd"Mick Jenkins?'"
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| Quote ="Offy"Dixon or swain for me...closely followed by jackson'"
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Ronnie came up with some special moments that will always live in memory for me, but Lee was the best in my opinion
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Alan McGlone gave the club great service during (and after) a 12 year playing career.
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Just a reminder to some of the people here that this supposed to be an all time greatest Hull team, not just the last 25 years which in any case haven't been historically that successful. Of course we all have favourite players that we have personally seen and no doubt have a natural bias towards them and being a relatively old git myself I have probably seen more than the majority of posters in here. None the less there are some old timers - from way before my time who have left an enduring legacy and have metaphorically been there and got the T shirts - whole wardrobes of them in fact. Just a suggestion but you can get an idea of how players were rated by their peers by the representative honours they collect. The best players tend to feature in the eras when the side was better - making finals and placing high in the league and to make an impact at Hull they need to play a decent number of games as well. So to some I would just say step back and think a minute - was your favourite an international when at Hull? Did he break any records? How many games did he play and did he shine in the big ones? If you honestly think that he ticks those boxes then go ahead but remember we are supposed to be looking back over more than 100 years and there may be better candidates.
As I said earlier in the thread Ronnie Wileman was a personal favourite of mine to watch but he's nowhere near the best to play for Hull, you can enjoy players whilst recognising their limits.
Sorry I had to rant on a bit but to suggest a one season player is somehow worth even comparing with a 25 time GB international is just that bit too far.
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good points and i would second all of that. go and read about some of the great players of the past and what they did for the club. its easy to vote for your favourite but this is not what it is really about. knockers bump and freddie miller do excellent jobs on these threads bringing up some of the old names.
also ask your parents and grandparents opinions, they'll have seen more players through the years
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Well we have only one Lance Todd winner at the club and he did serve the club for a lot of year Harris gets it for me.
A word of mention to another stalwart , Tony Duke not always first choice but managed to get a cup winners medal in the end of his very long one man club career. Certainly did as much Swain and for many years.
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