I haven't seen the game in its entirety, I just watched the 1 hour extended highlights when I got in from work this morning. The commentators aren't wrong in what they are saying, but I think everyone needs to take into account that this was the 3rd game in 8 days. Both teams were tired and it was never going to be a good indicator of anyone's attacking prowess (or the lack of it).

We didn't create an awful lot, but even if you discount a couple of opportunistic efforts by Lineham we created more than them and did deserved to win. The defence was very resilient, which has to be a big plus given the obvious fatigue. I also thought that, despite scooting a lot and playing one out rugby, there was a bit of urgency in our attack which wasn't there against Rovers. We wanted to get the ball played quickly and catch them out. Again, I have only really watched half a game, but that's the impression I got from it.

As for the refs. He got a couple of fairly important calls wrong, but ateotd he just calls it as he sees it. The ball goes in the air, Ah Van and Lineham compete for it, you've got to make a call, and it was a difficult one to make. People need to just accept that the refs don't have superhuman sight. If he's not seen it he's not seen it, that's not a refereeing standard issue, it's just a part of the game. For the most part the game seemed to flow pretty well (given the circumstances at least) and I couldn't argue with most of his calls.

It was an ugly win, but I didn't expect it to be anything else. There are positives to take, there are also a tonne of things to work on. The important thing is we got two more valuable points. We showed pretty good character, but I'm not reading anything into the technical aspects of the performance and my opinion on Radford hasn't changed in either direction.

Possibly so but at least I don't struggle to accept a Hull win.

Except that this was a televised game and he could not possibly have seen clearly what happened so should have asked the VR to confirm. Likewise with the Rankin incident - he should have allowed Rankin to score and then asked the VR to check how the ball came loose. These are simple matters of competence - or more correctly, incompetence.

As for the rest of the game - I have rarely seen the PTB policed so badly nor the 10 metres marked so poorly. He was diabolical on the fundamentals of refereeing a game of RL. One of the worst overall performances I've seen for quite a while.

No more than you struggle to accept even a modicum of positivity.

Oh - and anyone who thinks that Silverwood was equally bad for both sides is free to point out a try that Widnes had incorrectly chalked off or one that we had incorrectly allowed.

He couldn't have gone the screen, it happened on the play prior to the try. The Rankin one, well fair enough. Again I've not seen the entire game, just extended highlights, but the ptb and offsides didn't stand out to me as being particularly bad.

Regarding the Rankin non try,i feel certain players like Sinfield,Tomkin and Briers would have been in the refs face so much to go to the big screen he would have bowed to their wishes which is why they do it(not that its right)maybe we need to more forceful in this regard.

The only thing Wells got wrong was saying we wouldn't trouble Sts.....didn't he see the score from Monday.

Oh dear another one missing the point like staffs.
I've not struggled to accept anything here.
I'm pleased we won glad we won would like to make top 8 just because I don't rate Radford it doesn't take away me wanting us to win at all times and never in this thread have I mentioned anything negative regarding our team or coach.
Thought this was a discussion on punditry and ref performance which I have commented on before you start throwing accusations at me which are so wide of the mark Mr know it all

Why is every thread on this forum turning into a one on one slanging match???

Because it's more entertaining than what we're producing on the filed currently

Sadly - that's so close to the truth ;(

We don't offload.

We are 6th in terms of offloads in Super League.

Not sure who said it but the phrase "lies, damn lies and statistics"

It was the 70th minute on Friday against Widnes before we off loaded from the tackle.

We play like the Huddersfield team of the early 2000's when Mal Reilly was in charge. They were bottom of the league but had the least handling errors of any team. The reason was that any player knocking on more than twice in a game was dropped. Hence, they didn't pass.

Point being we are not the worst at off loads nor are we the best. We are about average.

wait till yeaman gets back

Really? Surprising. We hardly seem to make any, our second phase is pretty much non-existent.

As I said on the match thread well done to all & a win is a win...now I've watched the game in full and the commentators are right..
We are so desperately poor in attack, the passing is too slow, Houghton is one of the culprits and couldn't change the direction of play if he had a force 12 gale blowing in the opposite direction..Oh and did we even have any dummy runners or anyone backing up for breaks?
Yes we've had a tough schedule and our defence was pretty good for the most part but Widnes moved the ball far better than we did, had no weight in their forwards to speak of and thank god for their mistakes.
Shaul's inability to get the pass out with a 3 on 1 (Ah Van knock down) was criminal.

If we can win games playing that badly I'll take it, frankly though if we do it'll be a miracle!

I'm sorry, but that's a gross exaggeration. We do actually have plenty of players who look for the offload but our support play is so lacking that we rarely get the opportunity to make one successfully. Even so, we are no better or worse than many other sides in the competition.

We have enough faults without inventing others.

It's commonly accepted that the officiating is pretty poor, and I think that's accurate. I think where inaccuracy kicks in is how much fans think it is weighted against their team.

I didn't think we were particularly on the bad end of a refereeing performance on Friday, in all honesty. A couple of mistakes made for/against each team, that's about it. The fact that one of those mistakes led to a try for them but not vice versa is partly chance, partly that we weren't/aren't clinical enough when given the ball from 20 yards out. We had a chance that we shouldn't have had, as did they. That we didn't take advantage and they did is not the officials working against us.

The perception of everyone always being offside against us often comes from our slow work at the ptb, IMO. Even the actual act of playing the ball, watch how we are slower than most other sides, and then our passing is often slower, too. These seemingly small things add up to extra yards teams can move up in defence with good line speed. You can also add in that we seem to run back into the more highly populated ruck areas more than most other team as well. On Friday, the fact that Widnes clearly looked fresher than us at the start of the game created a bit of an illusion that they were constantly a mile offside IMO. Actually, they most often just had more energy than us and were moving up quicker. I thought it was noticeable that it faded away as the game went on and they tired, and it wasn't just that Silverwood didn't police it in the first half but then did in the second.

Disagree they played the chance percentage game of offside when in our half take the risk ,when in own stay onside.
Lots of times where two yards in front of old Silverback he has a tendency to only look one way for offside.

Agree our play the ball needs speeding up and would help if players supported the ball carrier.

I always thought that the defending side could not move forward from the 10 metre mark until the ball hand been played (heeled) backwards.
Nothing to do with how fit the defending side might be or how slow the play the ball might be.

You won't get many on this thread actually agreeing that it goes both ways.

You're right if done correctly the defending team cannot move until the attacking player's foot touches the ball.
However every team pinches a couple of yards it just depends how lenient the ref is.