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| Quote ="Diogenes"That's the truth of the matter. If we had a half decent coach we would not be where we are now. Equally, if Radford was coaching Wigan, Saints, Leeds or Cas, they would not be where they are now.'"
Your right, the first thing I said when Lee was appointed was "would Leeds, Warrington, Wigan or Saints have him as their head coach"?? the answer consists of 2 letters!
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"The silence from Pearson is almost deafening! Surely he knows hes fecked up employing Radford? All I can say is go get Noble and save us all from the current misery please Mr Pearson!'"
Unless you want Sneyd loaned back out to Cas next year, Noble is definitely not your answer.
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| Quote ="TheButcher"Unless you want Sneyd loaned back out to Cas next year, Noble is definitely not your answer.'"
Any of these I would be happy with.
Daniel Anderson
B Smith
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| Quote ="weaver93"Any of these I would be happy with.
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I'd be even happy to have Hay or Cooke over Radford.
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| Noble, Hay, Cooke etc are all decent short term options to steady the ship, but we've got to do it properly this time.
I would quite like to see Radford leave now, and Cooke brought in till the end of the season with him reverting to assistant when we bring a proven coach in for next year.
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| Quote ="weaver93"Any of these I would be happy with.
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I would allow the Head Coach, choose his own staff and coaching structure and conditioner,
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| Radders has got to start picking his strongest team & the team selected have got to play with pride & passion, not just for us or the club but for themselves, we have a decent enough squad to compete with other teams.
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"Radders has got to start picking his strongest team & the team selected have got to play with pride & passion, not just for us or the club but for themselves, we have a decent enough squad to compete with other teams.'"
too late now, ears needs to walk away and admit he's not up to the job
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| Quote ="Standee"too late now, ears needs to walk away and admit he's not up to the job'"
But this won't happen, so back to reality Martin.
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"Radders has got to start picking =#0000FFhis strongest team & the team selected have got to play with pride & passion, not just for us or the club but for themselves, we have a decent enough squad to compete with other teams.'"
What is that, though? Even with a fully fit squad, on the way they've all played this season, who would be our best 17? Does anyone know?
There has been so much chopping and changing it's too difficult to work out who has been suffering from lack of consistency of selection and who has been just plain bad. Add to that that some of those shipped out or who are in the 'not considered for selection' wilderness were actually no worse (arguably not even as bad in some cases) as some of those playing regularly, and it gets even harder.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"What is that, though? Even with a fully fit squad, on the way they've all played this season, who would be our best 17? Does anyone know?
There has been so much chopping and changing it's too difficult to work out who has been suffering from lack of consistency of selection and who has been just plain bad. Add to that that some of those shipped out or who are in the 'not considered for selection' wilderness were actually no worse (arguably not even as bad in some cases) as some of those playing regularly, and it gets even harder.'"
He's inherited a decent squad & brought in another few along the way from what was available, I didn't get to the last 2 away games through work & going away, but I know he picked a few u19s to play against Wigan, I wouldn't have done this as knowing Wigan have a killer instinct & will go for the jugular!
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| Quote ="El Masa Loco"I had a dream that Radford appeared in front of the press later this week outside the KC and signed an extension to his contract only for us to discover that it wasn't what it seemed and he had already signed for another club............ If there is a god please let this come true I mean come on surely a leopard doesn't change his spots.'"
He can sign an extension. As long as Cookie lends him the magic pen to do so .
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"He's inherited a decent squad & brought in another few along the way from what was available, I didn't get to the last 2 away games through work & going away, but I know he picked a few u19s to play against Wigan, I wouldn't have done this as knowing Wigan have a killer instinct & will go for the jugular!'"
Unless of course they have already conceeded that the season is over and they will blood the under19's to give them experience.
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| Quote ="Chris71"There seems to be some discussion as to who is to blame for the debacle this season with the pro Radford camp saying its Gentles team, the squads a mess due to wasted cap etc, he needs time and so on. Then the other side of the fence people saying he is not good enough, not experienced enough, Gentle should have been given time etc.
For me though regardless of the arguments for and against Radford what can not be ignored is the plain hard fact that the squad at the disposal of the current Head Coach of Hull FC is not the 3rd worst squad in the league. Sadly for us fans of this once great club we are now in a worse state than we have ever been.
Under the Walsh/Lloyd era things were bad but the players at least put effort in and were not helped by the off field issues. Under Hetherington/Agar improvement off the field though still not great and hit and miss on the field. Pearson/Radford off the field we have never seen it so good commercially and financially but on the field is a complete mess and worst in my 36years supporting the club for the above reasons. the first two there were excuses due to the way the club was run but that is nopt the case since Pearson came in.
Had London not had relegation written all over them before the season kicked off and Bradford deducted points then as a club we would really have been up turd creek without a paddle qand be enjoying the delights of the likes of Batley, Dewsbury and even our dual reg club Doncaster on a sunday afternoon.
This is what makes our current 12th place even more disturbing as in all honesty with the allowance for London and Bradford we are f*#king bottom!!!!!
If Radford or Pearson thinks this is an exceptable return then god help us. Gentle for whatever his wrongs got us 2 x 6th placed finishes and a CC Final in 2 years whilst trying to right the wrongs of the last administration & Coaching.
In less than a year we have gone from a 6th placed team to a 12th placed team how is that progress??'"
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"What is that, though? Even with a fully fit squad, on the way they've all played this season, who would be our best 17? Does anyone know?
There has been so much chopping and changing it's too difficult to work out who has been suffering from lack of consistency of selection and who has been just plain bad. Add to that that some of those shipped out or who are in the 'not considered for selection' wilderness were actually no worse (arguably not even as bad in some cases) as some of those playing regularly, and it gets even harder.'"
This is the problem. We as fans are scratching our heads but Radford should at least know by now who the best 17 are at his disposal. That's his job.
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| Quote ="Punos"Unless of course they have already conceeded that the season is over and they will blood the under19's to give them experience.'"
Thats why a fit Whiting and Crooks never play then
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"He's inherited a decent squad & brought in another few along the way from what was available, I didn't get to the last 2 away games through work & going away, but I know he picked a few u19s to play against Wigan, I wouldn't have done this as knowing Wigan have a killer instinct & will go for the jugular!'"
You said he needed to pick his strongest 17 for the rest of the season. I asked what that is, making the point that we've messed around with the team so much all season it's all but impossible to tell. We started the season not knowing what our best halves combination would be, but we're now at the stage where we don't even really know our best 2 centres or which wingers should go with them, and also which other 2nd rowers should play alongside Ellis. Judging by the last few games we've also now lost track of who our best props are or how to rotate them, because we're just pretty much playing all of them. An objective team selection with 6 games left would boil down to Shaul, Houghton, Ellis, Westerman, then names out of a hat.
I don't know what your response was intended to mean.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"icon_confused.gif
You said he needed to pick his strongest 17 for the rest of the season. I asked what that is, making the point that we've messed around with the team so much all season it's all but impossible to tell. We started the season not knowing what our best halves combination would be, but we're now at the stage where we don't even really know our best 2 centres or which wingers should go with them, and also which other 2nd rowers should play alongside Ellis. Judging by the last few games we've also now lost track of who our best props are or how to rotate them, because we're just pretty much playing all of them. An objective team selection with 6 games left would boil down to Shaul, Houghton, Ellis, Westerman, then names out of a hat.
I don't know what your response was intended to mean.'"
We'll my team if all fit would be...
Shauls
Lineham
Yeamo
Sa
Binman
Rankin
Horne
Paea
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Watts
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Westy
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But injuries & other things obstruct this, but this is only my strongest team.
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"We'll my team if all fit would be...
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Watts
Thompson
Ellis
Westy
Feka
Heremia
Bowden
Green.
But injuries & other things obstruct this, but this is only my strongest team.'"
Agree with a lot of that. Not seen enough of Sa yet to say if I would pick him over Crooks. Whiting would also always have a place in my 17 (in this case at Green's expense).
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| Quote ="Doc Brown"Agree with a lot of that. Not seen enough of Sa yet to say if I would pick him over Crooks. Whiting would also always have a place in my 17 (in this case at Green's expense).'"
3 props for me as rankin & Westy are utility within the 13.
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"We'll my team if all fit would be...
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Watts
Thompson
Ellis
Westy
Feka
Heremia
Bowden
Green.
But injuries & other things obstruct this, but this is only my strongest team.'"
Fair enough.
Still a lot of question marks in there though, aren't there? Based upon how they've played this year, several of those are the best of a bad lot even if we're being generous. Lineham hasn't played much but when he has hasn't looked great, I'd still like to see us with a better centre than Yeaman, Horne has been at least as poor as every other halfback we've had this year most of the time, Thompson has played mostly at prop, and Green is only 2 games into his season. Says a lot about the selection policy at the club that Tuson wouldn't be in there (and probably most fans' 17s) yet he's one of the first names on the team sheet every time he regains fitness.
Another thing that I personally think speaks volumes is the way almost all of the squad (individually as well as collectively) have played worse than we have previously seen them to be capable of. A handful of exceptions, but very worrying overall.
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"But this won't happen, so back to reality Martin.'"
Unfortunately, the reality is that we are in effect the 3rd worst team in the competition. Last year we were the 6th best team and cup finalists. We haven't (as at week 21 of the season) discovered who our best starting 17 are. Some serious questions need to be asked of those responsible. Good supporters that we by and large are, our patience is not infinite and sooner or later that patience will disappear, as will many supporters. And who knows if they will ever return once that happens.
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| Shaul
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God Knows but you might as well give HTW a run
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| Quote ="Charlie1971"Shaul
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God Knows but you might as well give HTW a run
Paea
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Watts
Ellis
Thompson
Westerman
Feka
Bowden
Cunningham
Whiting'"
Agreed, we have nothing to lose by playing HTW alongside Abdul imo. Both offer more than anyone else we have available.
Our current incumbent halfbacks are the worst in living memory. Rankin and Miller are the worst signings imaginable, and directly responsible for the hole we are in now. The much maligned Holdsworth only played 22 games for us, but my god we was a better side with him in it.
Everyone is going on about how our squad is too good to be third from bottom, but our halves are the worst in the entire league, with the possible exception of London.
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| Quote ="easthull fc fan"Radders has got to start picking his strongest team & the team selected have got to play with pride & passion, not just for us or the club but for themselves, we have a decent enough squad to compete with other teams.'"
He hasn't the faintest idea what his strongest team is.
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