Possibly a contributing factor but the contrast offered up by him playing opposite a big, powerful, skilful and fast opponent only exacerbated the weaknesses that are all the more prevalent these days.

Last night Yeaman was lazy in defence, he was at fault a number of times by simply not being in position

Agreed - but it's tough when you're outclassed and your opponent pulls you around for fun.

I really want to see Rich Whiting starting games next season. How many times has he been MOM or near to it this season starting from the bench? His utility value seems to dictate that he starts on the bench but that has to change. Now that Tickle has gone Whiting should be the automatic first choice alongside Ellis.

I also think one of our fundamental problems, as others have said, is our PTB speed. When coming away from our own line it is just so laboured. It's not good enough our forwards making decent yards if the last two are a slow drag with a clumsy play the ball; the opposition defence is set. We need to get over the advantage line, get to ground, up and then play it. Hopefully Paea and Feka will give us a bit of this.

The players should also be deducted wages for the drop off ball back inside. It has only worked for us when the recipient was Willie Manu. At least with Tickle gone we might not see the drop off / knock on combination that has become our trade mark attack of the last few weeks.

So basically he's not good enough. Not his fault but he's not good enough.

Couldn't understand Gentle saying that he will need to readdress the squad to give it more size.
Can't believe he only just realized it last night.

Quality half backs are in short supply both here and in the NRL.Just not enough of them to go around.
Miller was thrown in the deep end this year.He may well be an excellent player in the future but he wasnt really ready for what he has had to deal with this year.Holdsworth has been way too inconsistent.On his day he can be excellent but those days seem to be getting further and further apart.He was a moody petulant player when at Salford and he seems to be getting worse.Not the type to roll his sleeves up and get stuck in when things arent going his way.
The pack is light weight and if you dont recruit some more powerful dynamic props for next year then it could be a tough season regardless of who is playing 6/7
On the plus side you have some of the best young talent in SL and by all accounts more to come.
With the right recruitment i still see you guys being a major force next year.

Which stats are these?

One thing you do need next season (as do Rovers) is a goalkicker .( Holdsworth, Westerman and Crooks are not consistent enough)

First we need to be able to score the try that requires converting....

It's a concern. We have several adequate kickers but no-one that can match the likes of Tickle, Sinfield and Brough.

Quote ="davey37"Which stats are these?'" These: www.superleague.co.uk/matchday/player/114 And these: slstats.rlfans.com/index.php?playero=291 They show his performances in 2011 and 2012 were broadly similar to his performances in 2009 and 2010 (GB call up, FC player of the year) with a noticeable drop this season - particularly in errors per game.

Quote ="davey37"Which stats are these?'" These: www.superleague.co.uk/matchday/player/114 And these: slstats.rlfans.com/index.php?playero=291 They show his performances in 2011 and 2012 were broadly similar to his performances in 2009 and 2010 (GB call up, FC player of the year) with a noticeable drop this season - particularly in errors per game.

I think he realised long before last night hence the signings of Feka & Paea.

Yeaman getting slated. Lovely. Always hated the ugly little badge kisser.

We all have players we hate, step forward "Charlie."

Quote ="Kosh"These: www.superleague.co.uk/matchday/player/114 And these: slstats.rlfans.com/index.php?playero=291 They show his performances in 2011 and 2012 were broadly similar to his performances in 2009 and 2010 (GB call up, FC player of the year) with a noticeable drop this season - particularly in errors per game.'" The stat I am interested in is missed tackles (MI). Doing a quick total up each season it proves that he has been equally bad every season with over 40. Indeed in 2009 the figures are horrendous with 8 misses in one match versus Rovers.

Quote ="Kosh"These: www.superleague.co.uk/matchday/player/114 And these: slstats.rlfans.com/index.php?playero=291 They show his performances in 2011 and 2012 were broadly similar to his performances in 2009 and 2010 (GB call up, FC player of the year) with a noticeable drop this season - particularly in errors per game.'" The stat I am interested in is missed tackles (MI). Doing a quick total up each season it proves that he has been equally bad every season with over 40. Indeed in 2009 the figures are horrendous with 8 misses in one match versus Rovers.

He's never been terrific in defence, no. But that wasn't your original point. You said he'd been 'crap' for a few seasons when in fact his missed tackle and error count has been fairly consistent going back to when he was playing for GB and winning club awards.

Jesus....must watch different games to me then.....Ran some great angles and played with commitment.Been a very fine player for us.

miller should go hes making yeamos job even harder hiding behind ellis in defence hes awful imo

Unmitigated nonsense.

i just dont think hes good enough if were to contend for silverware most halfbacks can tackle look at broughy n burrows all rounders millers been targeted loads already and will be a spot for many teams to target in the future.

I know you cant just get rid but if you could it'd be bye bye to Miller, Mcdonnell, Johnson, Crookes.

Yeaman to second row to see if he can cut it. Id play Heremaia and Holdsworth in the halfs with Horne as back up full back/half back.

So get rid of Mcdonnell????/ and play a hooker at 7 with a utterly useless standoff?

And relegate our best performing half back to a back up role.

What about Shaul. Do you lose him just to keep to some bang average aussie on your books?