You're not alone. I wish we'd have had a player of his quality over the last decade.

He's Leeds captain, every right to go talk to the ref

just to be clear, as a player he is great, but I just think he whines too much, that's all, he is entitled to talk to the referee, not bleat like a little girl that dropped her icecream in the sand and wasn't allowed a donkey ride.

Like Westwoods pronounced features......

yeah, but it's annoying when he whines like a little bitch

Can't stand Sinfield. Or McGuire.

It's a deliberate tactic.

He knows that the ref ain't going to change his decision, what he is doing is breaking the ref's concentration and sowing the seeds of doubt in any future decisions.

As for his abilities, I'm with RG & Robbo: I'd love to have seen him play in B&W over the years

I think he also does it to buy his team time on occasions so they can get a breather or set their defensive line.
A clever but annoying ploy.

He's a fabulous player and I wish we had a player capable of running the game like he does.

I haven't seen criticism of him for his ability, but for being a whiny little to'pot.

Players like him and Tomkins have talent, but they lack humility, they are not good role models in the way they behave.

Ha ha hilarious...

To be fair he gave hull credit for the win.
I like him as a player and as an individual .
He's the sole reason that Leeds have dominated the grand finals like they have.

Not just Leeds though It's slowly creepng into the game as a whole. The recent CC game against Wigan at Craven Park it was highly evident that Sam Tomkins and Josh Charnley was of the same ilk. Fans in the well lost a lot of the respect that Charnley earned himself playing for Rovers as he was in the linesmans ear for the full 80 minutes. Was really suprised that the linesman didn't tell him to shurrup.

Hopefully the RFL will stamp it out.

They should start with bleating chairmen, maybe?

Aye...even Withers was at it last week...pointing his finger to his head at the ref...clearly picked up on the cam.

I can tolerate captains speaking to the ref, but when it's players just moaning ( like Tomkins), then it needs to be stamped on and penalised.

He's still miles behind Jamie Lyon though !!

Lets start with the spectacle we watch and pay for on the field first.

Why not sort it all out, bleating chairmen and coaches first, reform starts at the top afterall.

So thats Withers getting done then is it?.....

Certainly, We all know any player can speak to the ref but it's the manner in which they conduct themselves and the sheer volume of times certain individuals actually try to voice opinions when a decision goes against.

ref cam screenshots should get it's own sticky...


Our Danny going in for a snog

Refcam and at Magic weekend we had Spidercam. A Sky producer who insisted on using all the bells & whistles available. At times it was like watching a 12 year old's Powerpoint presentation

Completely disagree with lumping Sinfield and Tomkins together, there's a massive difference in the way they behave and carry themselves IMO.

Easty Did your chairman complain last year we his team won when a forward pass was 2to 4 meters forwards Even a blind man and his dog shouted forward.but that was OK his team won