Listen i am all for the banning of the coathanger and should be an instant red card in my opinion as i personally saw that end a fellas career in the game, also banning feet first on the line tackles from full backs to prevent a score is a straight red in my book as are a number of other things, but this is a game built on collisions , that collision is the backbone of many players whole technique like sam burgess etc, how many times are we gonna stop the game to revue just because a player has been cleaned out FFS
its a collision game and thats all there is to it , the bigger the hit the better is the whole point of the tackle game and nothing else, never mind all this arm wrap malarkey as in union, sometimes that is simply impossible

If you regard what you've written on the amateur game a 'contribution', then you've clearly never played yourself(?).

well that stopped that conversation in its tracks

Agreed.

You're more likely to clash heads with a team mate and be knocked out when tackling an opponent than get hurt in this way. Maybe we should only allow one player in the tackle.

A shoulder charge [idoes[/i stop a player, and, as in many cases, can cause the opposition to knock the ball on. Like has been suggested, it's not the action that should be outlawed, it's the way it is dealt with. If the hit is directly to the head (which they rarely are) then the bans should be much more strict.

I've seen plenty of shoulder charges that havent stopped a player, they may have stopped them temporarily, but as they saying goes "they can't run without their feet", give me a properball and all tackle anyday.

I've seen plenty of tackles that haven't stopped a player.

It's a step closer to union as far as I'm concerned. It's great seeing big hits going in, both the players and the fans love it.

Do people think this is getting banned on a wim?

Since when do players know what's good for them?

They only stop the player if it is a successful charge and very few are imo. Great as a spectator to watch though when they come off and some of Moa's were great to watch.

At the same point where posters on an internet messageboard were best placed to referee?

There will be reasons this has been looked into, possibly insurers, medical advice, all manner of things. Having had a friend lose a son through "brain rock" as the result of a collision (admittedly in a car) I think it's time this was banned, it's not two fat herberts colliding at 5 miles an hour having waddled through an acre of mud anymore, hasn't been for some time, th pace of the game now means a badly timed challenge could paralyse someone, maybe we should play the ast 10 minutes of each half with some lions on the pitch, or each side is allowed a sniper in the stands?

We are agreeing Mate - As far as I am concerned a shoulder charge is a Lazy way of playing and also didnt Westerman hurt himself in one game last season. You dont need to shoulder charge to give a big hit as you say 'properball and all'

the shoulder charge has only really become acceptable since we got the stupid aussie sayings like "winning the collision" and "dominant in the wrestle" which idiots like Cullen, Millward et al. furnished us with.

I agree with this, it was more apparent in the 80s when the big immobile forwards where generally knackered so resorted to a charge, the game has moved on and evidence suggests it causes more bother than it is worth with potential injuries and penalties etc. The game is a lot faster now and safety has to be considered I will not be too disappointed if they are outlawed even though the effective ones are good to watch.

An the next rule change 'Standee' will be that the ball carrier cannot meet the defender with the ball and forearm in front of his chest, and there has been many a collision won in this way. He must carry the ball under his arm like a roll of wallpaper.
A backward step banning the shoulder charge.

Not at all. But, as a fan, I disagree with the banning and I enjoy seeing hits going in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab8WmB1 ... ata_player How many shoulders in this montage? Only a few that class as traditional tackles, some half tackles half shoulders. How will a ref call it? Listen to the crowd the commentators when some of the shots happen. Its this physicality that makes league what it is. Contact with the head already illegal a shoulder goes wrong you get punished anyway. Promote better technique and hand out bigger bans for reckless challenges but don't make moves that will sanitize the physical nature of our game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab8WmB1 ... ata_player How many shoulders in this montage? Only a few that class as traditional tackles, some half tackles half shoulders. How will a ref call it? Listen to the crowd the commentators when some of the shots happen. Its this physicality that makes league what it is. Contact with the head already illegal a shoulder goes wrong you get punished anyway. Promote better technique and hand out bigger bans for reckless challenges but don't make moves that will sanitize the physical nature of our game.

Taking away the shoulder charge would be a blow to rugby league.. as previous posts said, you taking away something that can change momentum and lift sides and fans..

Yes some clashes are extreme with contact to the head, that wurried were a scrum hat. our sport is rough and tough not fairy diving like football..

Why not?

Amateur & professional game have separate bodies and have had differing rules in the past. International rules are different to SL, which is exactly the same principle. There's absolutely no reason why it couldn't be outlawed at some levels and not others.

Shoulder charge isn't allowed at junior level in oz, and at every level are you not allowed to make contact with the head. So I don't see why they just haven't increased the penalty for careless challenges. Make sure the player gets it right.

Like last season when they clamped down in the NRL and SL, then when players got sent off or suspended the coaches, players and fans just took it on the chin.

Not one Hull fan moaned when Moa got sent off.

Moas tackle was a peach end of story.........

Sort of proves my point.

Any way hopefully a reduction in the number of replacements will soon follow.

I sometimes get the impression you're not altogether enamoured of impact props.



Tbf, I like to see half-backs sparkle and dulling them by running massive blokes at them, when said massive bloke can go off after ten or fifteen minutes to catch his breath, denying a hb the possible revenge of skipping around his exhausted leaden-footed hugeness does seem like cheating.

Do you mean interchanges or replacements, btw? I think there is also an arguable case for going to 16-man matchday squads.

Shoulder charges being banned - as a fan I don't like it, but if the players wanted rid of it then I'd definately accept it as a welfare thing. Seems at least a few don't though.

Interchanges, sorry.

I drop to 6 should be the aim.

Not a big fan of the impact player in general, too inconsistent for my liking.

Far morer serious injuries are a result of normal tackles, shall we ban them aswell?