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| Sam Moa makes accidental contact with the opponent's head and leaves opposition player unable to continue - red card and one match ban.
On Friday, Tony Puletua makes contact with the opponent's head. Red card.
Yesterday, Mika makes contact with Turner's head with a closed fist. Turner is left severely concussed and unable to continue. No penalty given. Incident on report.
What I didn't like was a portion of the KR crowd that cheered when Turner was injured. He then tried to get up but went back down and they cheered again. (I understand cheering at the first one, but it's not right when he goes back down as that shows that he's clearly hurt).
When Turner is helped from the pitch you can hear a portion of the crowd booing him off.
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| Quote ="Panda92"What I didn't like was a portion of the KR crowd that cheered when Turner was injured. He then tried to get up but went back down and they cheered again. (I understand cheering at the first one, but it's not right when he goes back down as that shows that he's clearly hurt).
When Turner is helped from the pitch you can hear a portion of the crowd booing him off.'"
Yeah I noticed the booing from some of the crowd. Cheering when a man goes down is fair enough IMO, and even when he goes down for the second time is not too outrageous. But booing as a man is helped off the field after receiving treatment is appalling.
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| Regardless of the rights and wrongs of this case there is definitely a need for something to help the side that loses a player as a result of of foul play by the other side. Although there will still be 13 on the pitch it hampers rotation. In these cases perhaps the 18th man ( not us! ) should be drafted onto the bench once medical evidence that the victim cannot return has been established. As it is now the team losing the player to foul play are disadvantaged in the game , especially where the perpetrator doesn't get sent off , and then potentially again if he gets a ban thus weakening his side when they play your play off rivals in the coming weeks.
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| Quote ="Panda92"Sam Moa makes accidental contact with the opponent's head and leaves opposition player unable to continue - red card and one match ban.
On Friday, Tony Puletua makes contact with the opponent's head. Red card.
Yesterday, Mika makes contact with Turner's head with a closed fist. Turner is left severely concussed and unable to continue. No penalty given. Incident on report.
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and it was the same ref last night as the one in the moa incident
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| FWIW I don't think it was deliberate. Clumsy, maybe, but not intentional. He was going for the ball carrying arm whilst Turner was trying a sidestep.
Must admit that regardless of that, I don't know how an incident can be placed on report and the other team not get a penalty though.
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| Quote ="Gallanteer"FWIW I don't think it was deliberate. Clumsy, maybe, but not intentional. He was going for the ball carrying arm whilst Turner was trying a sidestep.
Must admit that regardless of that, I don't know how an incident can be placed on report and the other team not get a penalty though.'"
Was he carrying the ball between his teeth?
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| Red card in my opinion.
I don't think it was deliberate, just reckless and careless. Moa's was also reckless & careless, and both resulted in a concussed player having to leave the game.
I can only presume that Silverwood didn't quite see it properly, although he went on to put it on report, so who knows? I expect a 2-game ban.
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| Quote ="Barnabus"Red card in my opinion.
I don't think it was deliberate, just reckless and careless. Moa's was also reckless & careless, and both resulted in a concussed player having to leave the game.
I can only presume that Silverwood didn't quite see it properly, although he went on to put it on report, so who knows? I expect a 2-game ban.'"
Spot on
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| Apparently Mika is injured and will miss at least one match, so unless the ban exceeds the duration of his injury where is the actual punishment?
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| Quote ="Diogenes"Apparently Mika is injured and will miss at least one match, so unless the ban exceeds the duration of his injury where is the actual punishment?'"
The ban (if he gets one) will still be in place when he returns, so if he misses 1 game through injury and gets a 1 match he will be missing for 2 games.
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| Quote ="Bet Lynch"The ban (if he gets one) will still be in place when he returns, so if he misses 1 game through injury and gets a 1 match he will be missing for 2 games.'"
Since when?
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Since when?'"
Yes, it doesn't really sound right that, but if it is, he's fit as of now, although we might rest him in a couple of games time after the ban has expired.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Since when?'"
Well I never if that is the case .... I am assuming it is the same as amateur if a player gets a ban he serves the ban injured or not.
So basically if a player gets a ban for 2 matches but are out injured they do not have to serve the ban ?
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| Quote ="Bet Lynch"Well I never if that is the case
.... I am assuming it is the same as amateur if a player gets a ban he serves the ban injured or not.
So basically if a player gets a ban for 2 matches but are out injured they do not have to serve the ban ?'"
Correct, his only punishment will potentially be a fine, of course if he had been red carded he wouldn't have been on the pitch to sustain the hamstring injury.
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| Quote ="Gerrum on side ref"Correct, his only punishment will potentially be a fine, of course if he had been red carded he wouldn't have been on the pitch to sustain the hamstring injury.'"
But would still have got a ban. Silverwood's let him off lightly whichever way you look at it.
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| Quote ="Barnabus"Red card in my opinion.
I don't think it was deliberate, just reckless and careless. Moa's was also reckless & careless, and both resulted in a concussed player having to leave the game.
I can only presume that Silverwood didn't quite see it properly, although he went on to put it on report, so who knows? I expect a 2-game ban.'"
If Silverwood didn't see it properly could he not have asked the video ref to look into the incident? Or can the video ref not be used for that sort of thing?
When watching it I didn't think it was deliberate. However, Barrie McDermott (who has a fair bit of knowledge of shots like that ) was suggesting that he thought that Mika meant it.
Either way, it was serious contact with the head and therefore he should have been sent off because both Moa and Puletua have been sent off for similar offences. There needs to be more consistency in the refereeing.
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| Quote ="Panda92" There needs to be [iSOME[/i consistency in the refereeing.'"
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| Quote ="Panda92"If Silverwood didn't see it properly could he not have asked the video ref to look into the incident? Or can the video ref not be used for that sort of thing?
When watching it I didn't think it was deliberate. However, Barrie McDermott (who has a fair bit of knowledge of shots like that
) was suggesting that he thought that Mika meant it.
Either way, it was serious contact with the head and therefore he should have been sent off because both Moa and Puletua have been sent off for similar offences. There needs to be more consistency in the refereeing.'"
Definately.
Barrie Mac gets a bell-on everytime there's an incident like that though. I think it was more telling that none of the Hull players reacted to it (from what I remember). If any of them saw it as deliberate, there would be bodies flying in from everywhere.
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| The video ref advised whever the ref was when we played london to send moa off
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| Quote ="cod'ead"How many players do you know who attempt to tackle with a clenched fist?'" That the point if you go into a tackle like that you are intending to hit the player .The player face said it all He meant it
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| Quote ="Barnabus"Definately.
Barrie Mac gets a bell-on everytime there's an incident like that though.[u I think it was more telling that none of the Hull players reacted to it[/u (from what I remember). If any of them saw it as deliberate, there would be bodies flying in from everywhere.'"
Substitute London for Hull, and it didn;t Stop Moa getting sent off/banned.
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| Quote ="Neil HFC"Substitute London for Hull, and it didn;t Stop Moa getting sent off/banned.'"
You've missed my point.
Have a read again Neil Pye HFC. I've said it was a red card offence and I expect a ban. I was questioning Barrie Mac's comment saying there was intent in the challenge, I don't think there was.
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| Quote ="Barnabus"You've missed my point.
Have a read again Neil Pye HFC. I've said it was a red card offence and I expect a ban. I was questioning Barrie Mac's comment saying there was intent in the challenge, I don't think there was.'"
I've not missed your point atall, infact I tend to agree regarding there being no intent. I also think the Moa/Petual incidents were harsly dealt with.
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| Quote ="Neil HFC"I've not missed your point atall, infact I tend to agree regarding there being no intent. I also think the Moa/Petual incidents were harsly dealt with.'"
If you didn't miss it then what the heck were you going on about and underlining that part of my post? Ey? Ey?
Both were clumsy and careless challenges. Personally, I agree with the rulebook on this one that careless/reckless contact with the head is a red card. Both similar to the Inglis one from the weekend - went for a big hit, misjudged it and knocked the bloke out.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"The video ref advised whever the ref was when we played london to send moa off'"
Same thing happened with TP on Friday.
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