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| If Seymour does go, I for one will be grateful for his efforts. I don't imaging it's easy trying to drag a beaten pack around the park and not getting any creative support from your HB partner. Horney couldn't create a souffle if you gave him a box of eggs and and whisk !!
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| Quote ="berro's best mate"guess you dont remeber nolan and hewitt or webber and wheeler, they was poor'"
I take Hewitt in his hull days over both mcgoldrick and heremia at halfback, at least we would have a kicking game.
Underrated player was Hewitt, and with a bit more pace he could have been an excellent halfback.
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| Quote ="Dave K."I really hope that Seymour is as least on the bench, =#0000FFI don't agree that Seymour has out th effort in either, I think he has been trying too hard to create things, but things just havent gone his way the last couple of week.
Watching last week game, Seymour passing seemed quick enough but slowed down when it got to Horne, did a great fast pass for briscoes first, but he did make a couple of bad errors that resulted in try's.
I still believe that if we drop Seymour gentle has made a mistake, I would go with
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I guess we will find out tonight.'"
I'd agree with that to an extent in possession, but IMO his defence is nowhere near what it was earlier in the season. I realise that he is now defending next to Turner and that that has had an influence at times, but he just seems to be getting swatted aside or ploughed through much easier lately.
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| If we're moving Heremaia into the halves then I would prefer a halfback combination on Heremaia and Seymour. I wouldn't drop Seymour. He may have had a very inconsistent season but he's currently our best option for the position.
I would be worried about moving Heremaia into the halves because that would mean Houghton playing a lot of minutes, and in Gentle's press conference on Friday he stated that at that point Houghton hadn't even been to a training session yet.
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| Maybe this change is being forced upon Gentle. For all we know Seymour may have had a spat with the coach etc before the comments from Pearson.
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| Horne has not been rubbish. He's been moved from 6 out of necessity. With 5 tries, 12 try assists contribution in a team ravaged (again) by injuries, people leaving the club and particularly playing behind a pack that's been going backwards for much of the season has been acceptable at least. IMHO as ever
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| In the leeds game in particular turner left seymour defending 1 on 1 against ablett and delaney on our own line IMO
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| Quote ="hullbg"Maybe this change is being forced upon Gentle. For all we know Seymour may have had a spat with the coach etc before the comments from Pearson.'"
I do hope thats not the case.
I also hope AP and SM are not interfering in team selection.
I think its a mistake to drop Seymour. He may have felt he had a point to prove after AP's comments on Friday and could well have had a storming match. If he has any professional pride he would want to show the club they didnt need two new half backs or at least to put himself in the shop window.
If he is dropped tonight what, if any role, will he play for the rest of the season?
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| Quote ="Diogenes"I do hope thats not the case.
I also hope AP and SM are not interfering in team selection.
I think its a mistake to drop Seymour. He may have felt he had a point to prove after AP's comments on Friday and could well have had a storming match. If he has any professional pride he would want to show the club they didnt need two new half backs or at least to put himself in the shop window.
If he is dropped tonight what, if any role, will he play for the rest of the season?'"
I doubt it is the case, just a way to show there ar e a lot of different scenarios that could mean this change is forced rather than deliberate.
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| To be honest Even when we were playing well ,I was waiting for Seymour to do something different .He has been poor his kicking game as been way off .To me only my opinion players signing for other Clubs players leaving unsettles the team and other players form dip they are losing mates. if we win it's a bonus .this season to me has gone with all the unrest .I feel for P Gentle .But I will be there to cheer the lads on every game .Fingers crossed We get the win tonight
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| Strange, as none of the Hull FC supporters I work with have ever singled out Seymour as the problem, they have always complained about the lack of punch in the pack!!
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| Quote ="FONT"Strange, as none of the Hull FC supporters I work with have ever singled out Seymour as the problem, they have always complained about [size=150:2ii3s2dsthe lack of punch in the pack!![/[/size
wheres craig greenhill when you need him??
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| Quote ="downtheante"Horne has not been rubbish.'"
Yes he has, for over three years!
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| Quote ="Standee"Yes he has, for over three years!'"
Unfortunately for Horne I have to agree that whilst i always liked the kid and he has definately been through the wars for the club it is time for us to stop liking him just because hes from the city and start expecting more from the club .
The club has been very kind and patient with horne over the years but quite frankly his form since he returned apart from a couple of outstanding matches here and there has declined and it is doubtful as a half he would make any other team in SL presently...
I have no problem keeping him fit as cover on a very reduced deal other wise he has to go because he is not a first on the list player any more... and that pains me to say it but he simply isnt
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| Everyone remember that massive Seymour thread before he played and how i said he played in a side with the lowest points for to make the playoffs (Cronulla) how he went to New Zealand and did nothing.
How i thought he was a poor signing and you needed better.
Guess i was wrong then.
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| Quote ="voodooroo"Unfortunately for Horne I have to agree that whilst i always liked the kid and he has definately been through the wars for the club it is time for us to stop liking him just because hes from the city and start expecting more from the club .
The club has been very kind and patient with horne over the years but quite frankly his form since he returned apart from a couple of outstanding matches here and there has declined and it is doubtful as a half he would make any other team in SL presently...
I have no problem keeping him fit as cover on a very reduced deal other wise he has to go because he is not a first on the list player any more... and that pains me to say it but he simply isnt'"
agree 100%, he has certainly put his body on the line for FC over the years, and done very well out of it too, it's time for the sentimentality to stop, AP clearly sees we need better at 6 and 7.
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| Quote ="Standee"agree 100%, he has certainly put his body on the line for FC over the years, and done very well out of it too, it's time for the sentimentality to stop, AP clearly sees we need better at 6 and 7.'"
True,Richard is too slow etc
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| 1.Horne
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That is the suspected line up I have being told for tonight. Seems strange but could work if true.
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"Everyone remember that massive Seymour thread before he played and how i said he played in a side with the lowest points for to make the playoffs (Cronulla) how he went to New Zealand and did nothing.
How i thought he was a poor signing and you needed better.
Guess i was wrong then.'"
Well I guess we will all have to bow down to your superior knowledge eh?
Who are we to argue with the opinion of a KR fan when it comes to player recruitment?
Of course the truth is nobody on the FC forum is remotley interested in what you think....
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I back Pearson on this, Seymour hasn't been good enough (perhaps the club should have got the opinion of Horatio before we signed him?).
If we are getting a new 6 & 7 for next year then his days are numbered anyway - but maybe he might just feel he has a point to prove, that is if PG doesnt drop him.
With hindsight he wasn't the right man we needed (again, shame we didn't consult world famous player scout Horatio) and either he puts up or he is gone, that's life, that's sport, that's business.
I fear the worst tonight, but then again I didn't expect much this season anyway.
PG will be judged over the next 2 years plain and simple, and IF we get the right 6 & 7 next season Seymour will be quickly forgotten.
I also suspect he is getting paid a decent wack of the salary cap?
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| Quote ="whenitsnotraining"Well I guess we will all have to bow down to your superior knowledge eh?
Who are we to argue with the opinion of a KR fan when it comes to player recruitment?
Of course the truth is nobody on the FC forum is remotley interested in what you think....
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I back Pearson on this, Seymour hasn't been good enough (perhaps the club should have got the opinion of Horatio before we signed him?).
If we are getting a new 6 & 7 for next year then his days are numbered anyway - but maybe he might just feel he has a point to prove, that is if PG doesnt drop him.
With hindsight he wasn't the right man we needed (again, shame we didn't consult world famous player scout Horatio) and either he puts up or he is gone, that's life, that's sport, that's business.
I fear the worst tonight, but then again I didn't expect much this season anyway.
PG will be judged over the next 2 years plain and simple, and IF we get the right 6 & 7 next season Seymour will be quickly forgotten.
I also suspect he is getting paid a decent wack of the salary cap?'"
You really should check your facts mate, Horatio is a Wire fan (afaik)
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| Quote ="Standee"You really should check your facts mate, Horatio is a Wire fan (afaik)'"
As should you Standee, suggesting someone should check their facts then finishing up with "a far as I know", bravo.
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| Quote ="Largeparts"As should you Standee, suggesting someone should check their facts then finishing up with "a far as I know", bravo.'"
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| Quote ="Standee"You really should check your facts mate, Horatio is a Wire fan (afaik)'"
If he is, then I apologise for tarnishing him as a Rovers fan, the ultimate insult!
But still a know all.
And it could have easily been a KR post.
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| Quote ="whenitsnotraining"If he is, then I apologise for tarnishing him as a Rovers fan, the ultimate insult!
But still a know all.
And it could have easily been a KR post.'"
I don't disagree, but he was right!
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