Completely agree. Look across the comp at 7 next year - Myler, Brough, Lomax, Smith etc, apart from Dureau it's hardly a stellar cast. Seymour is adequate with a quality 6 to play alongside and a tight gameplan.

Adequate, you say? Heady days indeed!

Very poor defensively I thought today

Good enough then. Top class half backs belong in the NRL. The British comp can't afford them anymore and the last quality British 7 was Sean Long, before him probably Shaun Edwards. SL is the home of the adequate scrum half, we're not much better or worse than other clubs, even the top ones, in this respect.

Maybe, but the top clubs do tend to have at least one half that's better than adequate. Hell, even Cas have one class half, even if he is a cock.

Spot on. We need two props and a 6 possibly a full back. Seymour is doing well considering hes our only playmaker. He needs help.

Which is why I put that he needs a quality 6

Yeah, I know. Was jus' sayin'.

Seymour had his best game for me when Whiting played the 6 role against Leeds, which proves he has class when he has a decent player alongside him.

Baffled at Gentle's decision not to play Whiting there again when it worked so well against Leeds.

Well don't. Cranky old bag tonight, me. I know, not just tonight. Roll on 2013, Gareth Ellis and Yeaman's naked testimonial calendar.

I can email you a picture of my junk if you can't wait for Yeamo's calendar.

Seymour is more than adequate for us if we get a good quality 6 to play alongside him. Kicking game can be a bit hit and miss but he has generally been good for us.

Are you as fit as Yeamo ?

If so copy me in as well please

Thanks, I'm set. Feeling defiled already today after seeing a massive knob banging away towards the Hull fans for an eternity after the game.

Ok. Let me know if you change your mind.

Not for me to say, that! Maybe I should just send it and you can delete it if it doesn't meet your exacting standards.

Don't think the gap's as big as you do, personally. On top of which, the comparison bears no relevance at all. At that time SL was an attractive proposition financially for NRL players, it isn't any longer. Seymour may not be as good as some halves who have come over in the past, but I think there'll be few better coming over in the near future.

And I'll make the same point I have previously on this subject, most SL sides do not have 2 top quality halfbacks, they have one with a good to very good partner. I doubt very much that any side except Catalan will have 2 better halfbacks than Seymour next year, so it's about who we pair him with, not who we replace him with.

The Dykes comparison was made by the OP. I was merely responding.

Fair enough. I still don't think they're 'miles apart' though. Dykes did have the benefit of mainly managing to be fit for a cup run in which we played sh*t teams until the final, so I sometimes think he's remembered as being better than he actually was. In the 12 league games he played we managed 3 wins against the might of Cas (the only team who finished below us that year), Huddersfield (the team directly above us), and Wakey (nosebleed territory here, a whopping 5 places from bottom). In terms of percentages, we had a better win ratio without him than we did with him (in the league).

IMO Dykes is one of those players who people remember how good he could have been rather than how good he was, for one reason or another.

I think he's doing a good job for us, but he desperately needs some help alongside him.

I'm not convinced by Russell, Ellis was shocking today and we play with 2 ball playing 13s but use them as extra back rowers, meaning he's the only option.

He did have a 5 minute mad spell for Washy's try when he tried a banana kick straight down cockends throat, gave away a penalty then stepped aside for Washy to walk through.

That tackle on the raging juggernaut that is Danny Washbrook was like watching Dobbo

He's put in some great defensive efforts this season. His effort on Washy was poor but so was Whitings on Amor. Plenty of players missed tackles. Tickle got done at marker for one try for example.

I will not dispute that he has put some decent defensive stints in, overall though I am still undecided about him, his kicking game is very average, however after seeing him against Leeds with Whiting I like many believe he needs a decent 6 with him, hopefully he will get that next season and prove his worth.

His kicking was as bad as I've seen at Hull FC, his defense was poor and his attack was un-inventive. He looked like a watered down version of Rich Horne, who would be absolutely hung out to dry if he'd played like that yesterday.