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| Quote ="Willa"Just had to look at the thread title, we have drifted a bit.
The side looks strong which is a good sign that Yeamo & Briscoe are first choice and should hopefully play most of the upcoming series'"
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| Quote ="Sheldon"I can't see them not been the left hand partnership all tournament.'"
My only doubt is Atkins replacing Yeamo. He was on great form for Warrington
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| Quote ="Willa"My only doubt is Atkins replacing Yeamo. He was on great form for Warrington
is he injured or just not picked?'"
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Great news for Tom and Kirk, hope they go well.
Personally I would have had Widdop and Lomax at 6/7.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Great news for Tom and Kirk, hope they go well.
Personally I would have had Widdop and Lomax at 6/7.'"
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| Quote ="hullandbroncos"Lomax pulled out injured'"
Hmm I wonder why? He was fine at first then probably realised he would be behind Rangi and thought, no thanks. |
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Hmm I wonder why? He was fine at first then probably realised he would be behind Rangi and thought, no thanks.'"
What a load os 54it. You get shown up for wanting to include a player whos injured (and its been mentioned in this thread already) so you then make out Lomax is pretending hes injured just because Chase is in the squad.  |
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"What a load os 54it. You get shown up for wanting to include a player whos injured (and its been mentioned in this thread already) so you then make out Lomax is pretending hes injured just because Chase is in the squad.
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The England team to face France at Avignon on Friday October 21, kick off 8.45pm (local time) is as follows (professional club and community club in brackets):
1 Sam Tomkins (Wigan Warriors, Wigan St Pats)
2 Ryan Hall (Leeds Rhinos, Oulton Raiders)
3 Jack Reed (Brisbane Broncos, South Logan Magpies)
4 Kirk Yeaman (Hull FC, Myton Warriors)
5 Tom Briscoe (Hull FC, Featherstone Lions)
6 Kevin Sinfield (Leeds Rhinos, Waterhead)
7 Rangi Chase (Castleford Tigers, Dannevirke Tigers)
8 Jamie Peacock © (Leeds Rhinos, Stanningley)
9 James Roby (St Helens, Blackbrook)
10 James Graham (St Helens, Blackbrook)
11 Gareth Ellis (Wests Tigers, Lock Lane)
12 Ben Westwood (Warrington Wolves, Normanton)
13 Chris Heighington (Wests Tigers, Umina Bunnies)
14 Gareth Widdop (Melbourne Storm, King Cross)
15 Adrian Morley (Warrington Wolves, Eccles)
16 Jamie Jones-Buchanan (Leeds Rhinos, Stanningley)
17 Jon Wilkin (St Helens, East Hull)
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The England team to face France at Avignon on Friday October 21, kick off 8.45pm (local time) is as follows (professional club and community club in brackets):
1 Sam Tomkins (Wigan Warriors, Wigan St Pats)
2 Ryan Hall (Leeds Rhinos, Oulton Raiders)
3 Jack Reed (Brisbane Broncos, South Logan Magpies)
4 Kirk Yeaman (Hull FC, Myton Warriors)
5 Tom Briscoe (Hull FC, Featherstone Lions)
6 Kevin Sinfield (Leeds Rhinos, Waterhead)
7 Rangi Chase (Castleford Tigers, Dannevirke Tigers)
8 Jamie Peacock © (Leeds Rhinos, Stanningley)
9 James Roby (St Helens, Blackbrook)
10 James Graham (St Helens, Blackbrook)
11 Gareth Ellis (Wests Tigers, Lock Lane)
12 Ben Westwood (Warrington Wolves, Normanton)
13 Chris Heighington (Wests Tigers, Umina Bunnies)
14 Gareth Widdop (Melbourne Storm, King Cross)
15 Adrian Morley (Warrington Wolves, Eccles)
16 Jamie Jones-Buchanan (Leeds Rhinos, Stanningley)
17 Jon Wilkin (St Helens, East Hull)
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| Quote ="Raggytash"Pretty sad we can't produce an international standard scrum half in this country.'"
The saddest thing about it all is that Mcnamara feels we don't have a single English standoff so we go back to the dark old days of playing a backrow forward there ala Farrell, Sculthorpe ect.
Sinfield is a decent player but he aint an international standoff and doesnt have the speed off the mark for such a position, would rather see Chase there.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Hmm I wonder why? He was fine at first then probably realised he would be behind Rangi and thought, no thanks.'"
He tore his ankle ligaments during the Grand Final yet played on after the Shenton injury....sure he would have been considered otherwise. |
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| Quote ="Gi4nts"The saddest thing about it all is that Mcnamara feels we don't have a single English standoff so we go back to the dark old days of playing a backrow forward there ala Farrell, Sculthorpe ect.
Sinfield is a decent player but he aint an international standoff and doesnt have the speed off the mark for such a position, would rather see Chase there.
Wellham and Yeoman should be centres based on form.'"
I think Widdop, Chase and Lomax are all exciting stand off's and will be great options there for years to come. I think the absence of an organisational scrum half is scary. Why aren't we producing them? Is it over emphasis on athleticism and the fact that most players are the shape of 2nd rowers now? Or is it tactical reasons? I know that we've killed off the ball playing loose forwards because the dour tactic of playing a battering ram at 13.
I think the only times we've beat Australia in the past, it's because we've had more exciting ball players. This will never happen again if we keep trying to unsuccessfully copy the NRL. I think we need to go back to specialized positions, playing their traditional roles.
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That bench is very weird.
Don't get the idea of Widdop on the bench unless Sinfield will be moving to 9 at some point at Widdop goes to 6.
Wilkin shouldn't be anywhere near the 17 and should be replaced with a prop.
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"What a load os 54it. You get shown up for wanting to include a player whos injured (and its been mentioned in this thread already) so you then make out Lomax is pretending hes injured just because Chase is in the squad.
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Grow up little boy.
I know he's out of the squad. My point was that would have been my preferred option. On the injury front it's only me summising but he knew Chase would get in ahead of him so maybe he felt getting his injury seen to would be best? No evidence just thinking aloud.
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| Quote ="hullandbroncos"You can't say that
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I'd also like to ban the legal obstruction/dummy runner play that now accounts for the majority of tries scored in games. It's boring to watch. I'd also like to re-introduce playing the ball with your foot.'"
I'd go along with that. The emphasis on getting a quick PotB, or preventing it, has created whole new technical skill set that is rather dull to watch.
Winning the collision should be about breaking the tackle or getting a pass away from contact. Finding your front is effective but not very entertaining. |
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So Widdop, who was the regular 6 for the minor premiers in the NRL and is actually English looks on as a Kiwi, for whom England isn't his first choice, takes that position on the field.
Great way to show the younger halves they'll get a chance! International RL is a laughing stock.
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| Quote ="Wilde 3"I think it is sometimes irrelevant these days who is named at 6 or 7.
Chase will play like he does for cas, on the edges. Sinfield will probably take first receiver. The fact one is named at 6 and one at 7 is largely redundant, in my opinion of course'"
I agree, Sinfield will be the leader in the team, will take the kicking duties and 1st receiver.
With the whole Chase thing, most teams in most sports have done this for years, if you cant beat them join them. |
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Just out of interest, all the debate on here about Rangi Chase playing for England, would you (all) have put the same argument if it had been [uWillie Manu [/uselected for the England team?
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| Quote ="wharfedale"Just out of interest, all the debate on here about Rangi Chase playing for England, would you (all) have put the same argument if it had been [uWillie Manu [/uselected for the England team?'"
Completely, said the same at the time. |
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Chase played for the NZ Maori so is more kiwi than most kiwi's!
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"So Widdop, who was the regular 6 for the minor premiers in the NRL and is actually English looks on as a Kiwi, for whom England isn't his first choice, takes that position on the field.
Great way to show the younger halves they'll get a chance! International RL is a laughing stock.'"
Ridiculous isn't it. The thing with Sinfield is a strange one. For Leeds he is their heartbeat, Mr Leeds, everything goes through him on the pitch and off it and he is the man who galvanises the side. The problem is he does not have the same influence with England due to the lack of time they spend together so his value to the side is diminshed. I'm not sure he would even get in my 17 tbh. I'd rather play with out and out halfbacks and I like the look of the back without him.
I do rate him but just not sure his effect at international level will come close to what he does for Leeds at club level. |
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Chase should be no where near the England team. So what if he's spent all most all of his playing career here he's NOT English plain and simple. Now Heighington is a little different imo. He's got English in him due to his mother but still should he really be in the team? I think not.
International RL is a joke and will never be taken seriously, why not give the English youngsters the honour of representing their country not a foreigner!
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Both Widdop and Chase will play 6 in this game and Sinfield will move to 9 and 13.
Its a friendly, McNamara will be trying out options before the first game. That's why Widdop has been named on the bench.
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Well done to Briscoe and Yeamo. Fully deserved and glad they got their recognition.
Once Chase was in the squad it was inevitable he would play, so I'm over it. I don't support it, but I'm over it.
Think the team looks pretty good. Would like to have seen Widdop start, but I expect him to play a big role anyway.
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