Interesting you seem to think I'm defending the Allams because I simply pointed out Wilf's obvious error. At least you all agree that plans do in deed exist. I wonder what else Wilf gets wrong or misleads about?

still didnt answer the question though, who apart from allem and his son, who has seen these plans? names would be good please

I am more interested in the fact you are getting your knickers in a twist over a situation that doesn`t affect the club you support.

Everyone knows plans exist. Its the content and the fact he will not disclose them to important deal brokers that's the issue. Do you not see that and are you actually going to bother answering any questions or just continue blind defense? (which is what Allam appears to be doing to be fair)

No knickers twisted this side of the debate. I suspect that could be what's causing some of the less open minded their discomfort.

Not that it matters as far as debate on a public board goes, but who says who I really support? (the discussion's been had before) but as far as the topic goes, it's hardly a massive issue for Hull FC, especially in comparison to the City and region I live in.

He didn't get to the opportunity to even talk to the 'deal brokers'.

How poor must that look to any other potential investors.


For anyone else reading, lose any idea I'm defending Mr Alam, I've mentioned a few times where he has his share of the blame. My issue is with how it's been dealt with.

Thought maybe the St Helens and Gateshead fan on your sig was a bit of a clue.

No, just a red herring.

How is it then that Abramovich is reported to have spent around £1 million looking at ways to increase the capaticify of Stamford bridge or evening building a new stadium somewhere else yet rhe saviour of Hull has only spent £3k on plans for a £120 million sports village.There's the difference between who knows what they're doing and some idiot egyptian living in cloud cuckoo land.

Yeah your right,we have all seen it.Writen on the back of a cig packet.

We paid more for plans to sell the City's Bus Compay off
And buyers had to submit they offers in writting
There was no way that much money involved
Thing have to be done in the right way .If thing go wrong
Its not you or I that take the blame it's the Councilers who make
the deal that get it in the neck .We are the people who pay for any errors

Will you shut up about bl00dy buses!



BTW has Stagecoach taken over the Hessle park n ride Mr busman?

You must see the problem with his approach though. Dismissing the project out of sight on the basis the council will not automatically hand over the stadium site for a massive knock down price. Allam claims to want the freehold to borrow against. I would question whether any major lender would be happy to use as sporting venue as security on a loan. If Allam defaults then the lender gets to repossess a building which has extremely restricted use and not real sell on value.

What will look poor to potential investors is the main instigators attitude, afterall, would YOU go into a business proposition with him?

I also doubt that this project would raiset he profile of the city or even provide the many jobs some seem to suggest it would.

Allam is his own worst enemy on this. Threatening to take Hull City to Melton was a childish and ill thought out comment which I can only imagine he wishes he never made. Effectively the Council have called his bluff on this.

At the of the day if he is as wealthy has some would live to thing and his has the finances to fund his Melton project, you would think someone with 40 plus years in the business world would realise that making throw away comment doesn't work unless you are dealing with small business's.

What ever you think of the individuals at the council, they have to protect teh interests of more than just a very small number of people who are trying to profiteer.

Well thanks for all the explainations, its nice to be in the company of the intelligencia, and I really appreciate them. I saw what you call the plans first hand a few month ago on the desk at a local media office. We all agreed at the time they they were a fine idea and good for the City but certainly as artistes impressions, which didn't even indicate what a lot of the buildings were to be used for, they were no basis for a local authority to hand over a £43m Stadium. I have not changed my mind on that one. As for me getting my facts right well I always base my comments on what I know or have seen and I still believe that producing such artistes impressions and then refusing to show them to the Council, is not the way to get this moving. Nor is calling the Council in newspapers and public lectures!

We should all be Ruscador-ing to Allam Tempest-ing to invest in the City rather than East Yorkshire.

What are you talking about? He's met with the council on several occasions, the last one being the 3 hour meeting the other week. The stalemate is caused by [ihim[/i being reluctant to talk practically and constructively during these meetings. Issues such as his refusal to show his drawings to the people he wants to give him the stadium for promises with about as much substance as a cigarette paper have made the council cautious as to his true intentions. His fault. Or are you calling Cllr Geraghty a liar?

He's blown it. Move on.

Your view is completely myopic and leans totally in allam's favour. Unless you have been present at these meetings you don't have the 1st idea what went on so are not in a position to comment

so, he has bought a squash tournament without having firm plans as to where he is hosting it, an unusual approach by a sports governing body to award their flagship event to someone without a confirmed venue in place, having worked with the squash governing body in a "previous life" I find it incredibly dubious, I wonder how much in sponsorhip this cost?

I bet the "official agreement" was drawn up with the KC being an intrinsic part of the deal, anyway.

More bluff and blackmail attempts.

I actually doubt it, to get them to agree an open air event with the spectators that far from the courts would have been nigh on impossible, I would imagine Bridlington was always the venue. Also, interesting how he think he could just get planning in Beverley, he obviously has no idea what ERYC's planning department are like on new build anywhere near central Beverley (or how expensive land and existing buildings are).

he's just an idiot

He probably thought the squash facilities in the "Sports Village" would be ready by then

as I said, I really cannot see the governing body agreeing to this without seeing detailed plans with evidenced finance in place etc.

Also,the world Masters are in Birmingham next year, the National Championships are at the NATIONAL SQUAH CENTRE IN MANCHESTER, why on earth would the governing body move away from it's OWN NATIONAL CENTRE?????

But we all know that this is the bit he's not very good at.

Are you saying the [url=http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/Allam-bring-British-Open-squash-East-Yorkshire/story-13538026-detail/story.html"agreement"[/url may not be as finalized as Allam and his lap dogs are making out?

Maybe he wants to re-create western films

As I said and you've confirmed, you were wrong.



No self respecting company would bother producing a full complete set of final plans at the start of such a pre-application discussion. It's not like a loft conversion or moving the counter in a corner-shop.

Interesting that on a cursory glance of an outline for discussion, you and your chums felt it looked a good scheme. Instead of one man from the Council blocking it from further debate from the real decision makers, it should have led to more open discussions to find areas of compromise and agreement.

Why some of you feel I'm blindly backing Alam is more just your own blinkers. I've said repeatedly he's handled it badly and needs to accept his share of the blame. That's no excuse for slamming the door though. People of the ilk of Adam Pearson back the plan. Whose opinions would you trust more with investments, one man from a ruling party that's running up millions in debt already, or multimillionaires with proven track records?