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| Stress has effects on the body and mental health of people who are suffering from it.
The last thing someone who is stresed needs is for their employer to turn around and dump them.
So the club are doing the right thing. Well done
I hope Martin all the best no matter what happens.
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| Quote ="R.B.A":3ckinp7jThe difference is though that a dislocated shoulder would have been suffered in the duty of representing Hull FC. :3ckinp7jWe all know why he is "stressed" and it isnt upto you guys to pay for it:3ckinp7j.'" :3ckinp7j
FFS!! And your a forum moderator????
Did you not read
Quote ="Roland_R:3ckinp7jPlease note Paul's comment on anything that is not FACT, the user will be banned permanently
Would love to know these FACT you reckon we all know.
I couldn't give a monkies for the reasons behind his illness, but having been close to people who have had stress related issues you realise the term stress is not an appropriate descrition. Its not that long ago it used to be termed a nervous breakdown.
For Martin and his family, I hope he manages to over come this sooner rather than later.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"The reasons for his "stress" precede his contract with Hull FC. They will have clauses written into it i would imagine.'"
You have no evidence whatsoever as to why Martin is stressed and you should be very careful with the insinuations you are making. I am sure Hull do have clauses in his contract, they alluded to this when he signed. However suffering with stress won't be one of them. The guy is ill and the club are supporting him and the fans for the moment seem to be behind that.
Suffering from stress is not a wrong doing on his part so he will rightly still be paid and be supported until he is ready to return or not whichever the case may be.
That post was dangerously close to landing you a ban, moderator or not. If you can not post on this thread within the rules then i'd suggest not to bother.
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| I for one wish him a very speedy recovery i`ve seen stress related illnesses first hand and i know its not a thing people want
Hope to see him back in a black and white shirt sooner rather than later
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| Some great sentiments here but Just for the benifit of those who still wish to think the worst, the Daily Mail today states,
'Whilst the Mail cannot disclose the full details of the illness it has nothing to do with alcohol or failing a drugs test. Gleeson is not suffering any sort of injury He has not been in a fight or breached his contract with Hull Fc'
'in an effort to protect Gleesons Privacy the club have contacted the RL to enlist their help'
'To their credit the club wil not discuss the situation with anyone'
Mods this is an exact quote and is in the publc domain thanks to James Smailes.
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| Id be stressed if i made the mistake that cost us the derby game.
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| I have had to lock this temporarily at the requesat of Admin. They currently feel there is nothing more to be said regarding Martin but I have asked them if this can be re-opened.
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| Admin have given us the ok to keep this open, same rules as before.
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| I have just finished studying a sports psychology course at University, and stress, anxiety are more common than people can imagine. Every player, employee will be subject to stress or anxiety at some point to varying degrees throughout their careers. Sadly many will receive no expert help or guidance through psychological interventions by educational sports psychologists or in severe cases by clinical sports psychologists.
I have no idea what lengths the RFL, our club, or any club in fact go to help players, but it appears they are actually making an efffort to help Martin. I hope they will help him to the maximum and seek expert help to fascilitate his recovery.
I applaud the club ( and I haven't been doing that much recently ) for helping Martin, and beg them to continue helping him, and all our players to the maximum.
Get Well Martin
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| Quote ="mikegreen673"I have just finished studying a sports psychology course at University, and stress, anxiety are more common than people can imagine. Every player, employee will be subject to stress or anxiety at some point to varying degrees throughout their careers. Sadly many will receive no expert help or guidance through psychological interventions by educational sports psychologists or in severe cases by clinical sports psychologists.
I have no idea what lengths the RFL, our club, or any club in fact go to help players, but it appears they are actually making an efffort to help Martin. I hope they will help him to the maximum and seek expert help to fascilitate his recovery.
I applaud the club ( and I haven't been doing that much recently ) for helping Martin, and beg them to continue helping him, and all our players to the maximum.
Get Well Martin'"
stress isn't an issue for a sports psychologist, hopefully he is receiving counselling and psycotherapy, I sincerely hope he is getting whatever he feels he needs.
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Some great sentiments here but Just for the benifit of those who still wish to think the worst, the Daily Mail today states,
'Whilst the Mail cannot disclose the full details of the illness it has nothing to do with alcohol or failing a drugs test. Gleeson is not suffering any sort of injury He has not been in a fight or breached his contract with Hull Fc'
'in an effort to protect Gleesons Privacy the club have contacted the RL to enlist their help'
'To their credit the club wil not discuss the situation with anyone'
Mods this is an exact quote and is in the publc domain thanks to James Smailes.'"
well posted wilf ,this is nothing FC did not know about when they signed martin ,and are dealing with it in a professional manner ,the same as other clubs should have done ,like you say best of luck martin hope to see you back soon
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| Very well done to the Hull club for supporting him through this.
I don't know the bloke but wish him all the best and hope to see him back in the black and white as soon as he is able.
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| Stress IS an issue for a sports psychologist. Stress can be detrimental to performance, and a sports psychologist could be used in order to improve performance by helping the player in learning to deal with stress and anxiety that debilitates perfromance. Obviously you know better so maybe i should have studied in your university instead.
Educational sports psychologists address stressors to the athlete such as performance worries, self-doubt, [utraumatic experiences outside of sport[/u, injury etc, etc. That would include stress and anxiety experienced due to those stressors which educational sports psychologists would look to rectify. However, if the eduacational sports psychologist believed the condition was due to severe emotional disorders ( such as suicidal tendancies, eating disorders, substance abuse etc ) they would refer the athlete to a clinical sports psychologist. I have taken this information from my course book( Foundations of sport and exercise psychology, by Weinberg and Gould, 2007) so I will believe their years of study research knowledge etc rather than your misguided comment. Of course if you'd like to point me in the direction where you obtain your information I will happily read it and pass it on to Weinberg and Gould so they can update their information and credit you with the discovery.
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| Quote ="mikegreen673"some stuff from a textbook'"
not the place for our discussion, see your pm's.
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| i await your pm
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| Quote ="R.B.A"The difference is though that a dislocated shoulder would have been suffered in the duty of representing Hull FC. We all know why he is "stressed" and it isnt upto you guys to pay for it.'"
In much the same way everyone "knew" he had
a) Been out on the
b) had failed a drugs test
What part of Paul & Joes mod posts at the top of the thread passed you by? anyone else posting that sort of thing would have been booted off the site.
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| Quote ="Neil HFC"What part of Paul & Joes mod posts at the top of the thread passed you by? anyone else posting that sort of thing would have been booted off the site.'"
Indeed, which raises the question as to why RBA hasn't, teflon mod?
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| Quote ="Standee"Indeed, which raises the question as to why RBA hasn't, teflon mod?'"
I have warned him in this thread and that anything near a repeat will see him gone.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"I have warned him in this thread and that anything near a repeat will see him gone.'"
and would Jake The Peg have been afforded the same leniency, I doubt it.
anyway..Glesson.
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| Quote ="Standee"and would Jake The Peg have been afforded the same leniency, I doubt it.
anyway..Glesson.'"
It wasn't leniency, it was a close call.
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| Good luck to the guy with whatever he's going through, the details of which are clearly none of our business. RL is fairly irrelevant by comparison, and we all need to remember that.
Stress and depression remain a bit of a taboo in sport (see Mr Bore-cott's comments during cricket World Cup for instance), even more than in other forms of employment. It's a bad enough situation to be in, but I can't imagine that having to be in the public eye at the same time is a big help. A stigma needs to be removed.
Well done to the club for supporting him, I like to hope any club would do the same, but you never can tell. And if I'm not much mistaken, the Hull Daily Mail's move actually looks like a rare example of responsible journalism, as I don't think stupid rumours are in anyone's interests.
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| Maybe I am too old fashioned but as someone who sees how easy it is for people to waste thousands of pounds of their employers money by taking time off for stress I think in a lot of instance its an easy way out. If you can't do your job because of stress then perhaps you shouldn't be doing it in the first place, too many people think the world owes them a living.
If Martin Gleeson has things going on in his personal life that need sorting out then by all means take time off work to sort them out but don't call it stress and set a timetable for that to happen and Martin to return to work.
Speaking generally, not about Martin Gleeson, we waste far too much money pandering to people who claim to be stressed and it seems an easy way out, especially since weak GP's seem only too willing to sign people off work for it. I know recently of a nurse who split up with her boyfriend and a doctor signed her off for a month for stress. We all payed for that and it was totally unnecessary. Modern life these days is pretty easy, we don't want for much and what we don't have the government generally gives us. A little perspective and more personal responsibility is needed.
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| I agree Steve, I once worked with a bloke who's misses left him with the kids.
He claimed he was emotionally shot but the doc wouldn't sign him off and he couldn't afford to live without working.
He hung himself.
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| Quote ="steve_norton"Maybe I am too old fashioned but as someone who sees how easy it is for people to waste thousands of pounds of their employers money by taking time off for stress I think in a lot of instance its an easy way out. If you can't do your job because of stress then perhaps you shouldn't be doing it in the first place, too many people think the world owes them a living.
If Martin Gleeson has things going on in his personal life that need sorting out then by all means take time off work to sort them out but don't call it stress and set a timetable for that to happen and Martin to return to work.
Speaking generally, not about Martin Gleeson, we waste far too much money pandering to people who claim to be stressed and it seems an easy way out, especially since weak GP's seem only too willing to sign people off work for it. I know recently of a nurse who split up with her boyfriend and a doctor signed her off for a month for stress. We all payed for that and it was totally unnecessary. Modern life these days is pretty easy, we don't want for much and what we don't have the government generally gives us. A little perspective and more personal responsibility is needed.'"
I take if you've never suffered from stress, let alone anything approaching a total breakdown, I hope you remain that lucky. I know of people who were within an hour or so of the next time their parents seeing them would be to identify the body.
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| Im not doubting that the guy is suffering from a stress related illness but why did we even bother signing him when both Warrington and more especially Wigan got rid without a worry about the guy? He's basically come here, played a couple of decent games then gone off the boil and then gone on sick with us as a club picking up the pieces when nobody else could or would and especially the team he played for in the grand final last year. Someone must of seen this coming at FC as they certainly did at Wigan or was they that busy creaming themselves about him coming here that they just ignored the potential problems that could arise from him signing.
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