You are totally spot on! And I am just making the point that some people on here claim to know everything but are missing things straight in front of their eyes!

Tickle does that anyway, which is why our right side rarely produces much. Tickle can be our Gallen when Fitz goes.

Plus they are not as comfortable passing that way. Tbh whatever the make up of the three it's a good combination for next season. I would personally like to Westy played at 13 with the freedom to roam as he could do more damage and have Manu left and another backrower on the right. That way Tickle could play prop.

mark flanagan?

Are you his agent ??

now that would be telling

So to recap, the OP thinks Agar named Westerman at 13 in order to get the fans off his back? Riiiiight.

Also if we only ever use our LF as a 3rd prop why the **** would you want Westerman to play there?

Just because Westerman did most of his work on the right it doesn't mean he wasn't playing a LF forward type "role"

As for Fitz he played as a prop on Sunday. He was standing in the prop position for every restart of play, but then I guess that was also part of Agar's masterplan to "fool" the fans.

Not only the fans off his back, some other, more important people aswell!

I want Westerman to play there because I want a ball playing 13, not a 3rd prop. And because he did 99% of his play on the right he was not playing a 13 'role', he was just playing like a modern back rower, e.g Manu.

And Fitzy plays the same way every week, does pretty much the same things in attack and defence each week as that's what he does, 99% of the time at 13, sometimes possibly as a prop.

I knew it wouldn't be long before you arrived!

No ones denying Fitz played prop, at least I'm not.
A ball handling 13 plays from the middle and runs both sides, Westerman didn't, he played from the right and stayed right. If that's a LF role then it could just as easily be called a HB role too.

Like who?

spot on again i thought we where ending this debate

going by whats hes saying then we have 2 loose forward ROLES in westy and manu

Have we actually confirmed agar has a mind?

still been investigated ill let you know when the results come back to me

So we had our starting 13 made up of the following:

3 props
2 loose forwards
2 stand offs
2 hookers
3 wingers
1

Agar is messing with our minds.

only some of us

I think someone needs to explain to me exactly what the LF role is in our team and who plays it. Thanks in advance.

Role: 3rd Prop

Player: Fitzgibbon

I knew it wouldn't be long before you arrived.

So if that's the role why the frick would anyone want Westerman to play that role?

IMO we have been playing with 3 probs and Fitz has been asked to provide limited options as an extra passer of the ball. More recently Westerman has been asked to provide that additional passing and also kicking option. Now to me the role of the LF is a forward that provides an extra passing and kicking option. The player that most closely fits that role is Westerman, the fact he wasn't trundling the ball down the middle all match just means he wasn't playing the additional prop role. It is possible to take on the Attacking role of the LF whilst primarily occupying the right channel.

Wherever he's been playing, westerman seems to have had his hands on the ball more in the last couple of games and has looked impressive IMO

Can't argue with that.

Agree and what we seem to have been missing for a while.

What I'm getting at is that people seem to believe that because Westerman was named at 13 we had changed our tactics. You hardly came across as knowing that yourself, until now. Although the cynic in me could think that you're back tracking.



For me, Fitz is not asked to provide any options as an extra passer, I think he does it off his own back to try and help.
Also for me, the attacking role of the loose forward has been replaced by the modern day FB, this includes attacking down [iboth[/i sides, not just one. Westerman has not changed the way he's played all season and is coming back to the form he had before his injury. He's playing right sided 2nd row, and doing a good job.

No back tracking here. Fitz doesn't end up as a passing option by accident it's clearly a planned move (so planned and slow that the oppo can see it coming a mile off). Westerman has changed the way he plays in the last month or so, he is seeing far more of the ball and providing more passing and kicking options than he was at the start of the season. I'm not saying he is/was the LF in the strictest sense but he is now providing the more traditional LF role/attributes all be it from the right channel. The fact he isn't being asked to hit it up down the middle and tackle the big men is actually smart tactics IMO.

Westy's defence isn't good enough for the middle channel anyway. He was becoming more involved before he got injured early April time. Hope he continues, as the last 3 games he's been our best player.

westy cert looking a good buy